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Orioles and Rockies engaged in " ongoing trade talks " on Colorado outfielders


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People are sleeping on Carlos Gonzalez. Yes, he OPSes way higher at Coors, but it's not like he's a slouch at other ballparks. He's a dynamic player who would mash in Camden Yards. He hits BOMBS, guys. Like no doubters. You'll be shocked to know there's video footage of him hitting mammoth home runs in ballparks outside of Colorado! Yes, it's true!

He's played in one park his whole career, other than a cup of coffee in Oakland. Give him some time to adjust, put him around Jones and Buck, give him the short right field, and turn him loose. He would absolutely be a huge upgrade over Markakis. And he'd supply some of that lost Davis power.

He kills in Interleague play. He's good with RISP. He would appear to have better-than-Orioles-average OBP skills. Dude's awesome. Go get him and stop crying about Justin Upton because the guy is getting an opt out so move along already. Thanks K bye.

I don't think anyone's sleeping on him. I think he'd be great at OPACY. The problem is that he makes 18M+ the next two seasons with major injury concerns, and the Rockies have officially asked for Gausman in return.

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He's a platoon player at this point in his career.

Maybe. Yes, his last 240 PAs against lefties have been poor. But in 2013 he OPS'd .875 against them. Career .745. Platoon splits are notoriously noisy and hard to pin down. If they traded for him I'd be prepared with a potential platoon partner, but as a fallback.

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I'd love to see someone do in depth research into players home/road splits, especially as it applies to anyone who has played part of their career in Colorado. Sure CarGo has pretty substantial home/away splits. I think most players do, although maybe not as significant. Especially if you play for a substantial amount of time with one team, you know your park better than any other park and get to play in front of your home crowd. Chris Davis had a 1.026/.829 home/away split last year. Josh Donaldson had a 1.046/.830 split. Bryce Harper- 1.170/1.049.

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I don't think anyone's sleeping on him. I think he'd be great at OPACY. The problem is that he makes 18M+ the next two seasons with major injury concerns, and the Rockies have officially asked for Gausman in return.

That is a pretty concise summary.

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That is a pretty concise summary.

Yep. I have read every stat and article I can get my hands on about Cargo and four others over the past few days, but one word makes all the Cargo reading useless - Gausman. If that is really more than a powerball dream with a cat that swallowed the canary smirk first request, it ends right there. Short conversation.

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This is where I am as well. I'd love to acquire Carlos Gonzales on a salary dump. Give them something, but nobody who has a shot at making a significant pitching contribution in 2016. If they want Christian Walker and a B pitcher out of Delmarva, go for it.

There is some logic to trading Bundy for CarGo (if they eat a chunk of salary).

  • Bundy has no options so keeping him on the roster is complicated.
  • Bundy's injury situation makes him risky.
  • CarGo likely nets a draft pick when he leaves in FA in 2 years.

But honestly I prefer to ride Bundy's upside. Harder to find a potential TOR (even if risky) then an above average corner outfielder.

Otherwise just sign Cespedes or Upton and keep out guys.

This is where I am too. I am certainly not giving up Gausman (insane request ignored), or even Bundy or Harvey. We have just given up too many pitching prospects recently and cannot risk another Cy Young winner ending up in the NL. I would offer two of Sisco, Reyes, or Walker and assume the salary. Otherwise sign Upton.

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Maybe. Yes, his last 240 PAs against lefties have been poor. But in 2013 he OPS'd .875 against them. Career .745. Platoon splits are notoriously noisy and hard to pin down. If they traded for him I'd be prepared with a potential platoon partner, but as a fallback.
The one think the O's have h=is a plathera of potential platoon partners. Reimold, Rickard, Hoes, Alvarez, Trumbo.
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That seems to be exactly what Carlos Gonzalez is.

Games played in RF: 286

Career OBP: .347

Career OPS vs RHP: .935

Career dWAR: -1.0 (not great but not terrible)

Career Fld%: .987 (not great but not terrible)

What's his OPS v LHP? I'm not trading GaUsman and paying 18 M per for a LH platoon.
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Haha! You said you don't want him because you want someone who hits righties well. Then I showed you he crushes righties and now you're going "okay, well... now I care about how he hits lefties." :laughlol: And the fact that you think Carlos Gonzalez is a platoon player shows that you can't be taken seriously.
The last two years CarGo has put up a .635 and a .530 OPS v LHP That's a platoon player. His UZR for the past 3 years is -11. Not worth 18 MM per. That's why I am not interested in CarGo. I am interested in a platoon partner for a RH bat like Reimold, who gets on base plays good defense in RF. Get It?.
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If he could only hit lefties, then you might have a case for him being a platoon hitter. But since most pitchers are righties and he crushes righties, he isn't a platoon hitter. CarGo hit 40 homers last season. He's not a left handed Danny Valencia. Get it? :laughlol:

Most pitchers are right handed. The right side of a platoon is certainly the week side.

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