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If he could only hit lefties, then you might have a case for him being a platoon hitter. But since most pitchers are righties and he crushes righties, he isn't a platoon hitter. CarGo hit 40 homers last season. He's not a left handed Danny Valencia. Get it? :laughlol:

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What makes you think Gausman is even a candidate for a trade? We already are short at least one starting pitcher; why on earth would the Orioles trade their youngest and cheapest starter who also has the most upside, when they can't even fill the holes already in their rotation?

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I'm not interested in CarGo. I am interested in a good fielding decent OBP RF who hits RHP.

Provided CarGo is staying in Colorado, Charlie Blackmon fits that description, although his defense is uncertain. He's got somewhat even splits too: .788 vs RHP / .729 vs LHP. He won't need to be platooned.

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Provided CarGo is staying in Colorado, Charlie Blackmon fits that description, although his defense is uncertain. He's got somewhat even splits too: .788 vs RHP / .729 vs LHP. He won't need to be platooned.
I like Blackmon if we don't have to give up Gausman .
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You don't want to pay Carlos Gonzalez $18 million for two years, but you want to pay Justin Upton $20 million for six or seven years? I'm not saying he's a good defender, but he has a better career dWAR and Fld% than Justin Upton. And calling him a platoon hitter insinuates that he's a "part-time player," and he's not. If you still don't get it by now, then I don't know what to tell you.
Any guy who has a .530 OPS against LHP is not going to play in the 50 or so G v LHP, even if he were a GG OF, which he is not. Upton is younger has good splits, isn't any worse than CarGo with the glove, and plays every day. Last year he was a 3.6 WAR player to Cargo's 2.4. He's a much better investment at 6/120 than Cargo is at 2/37.
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You could list that as impossible. I have a hard time liking anyone who can't OPS over .800 with half their games at Coors Field.

You think it's impossible for Duquette to make a deal for a guy with questionable ability and with which he doesn't have the assets to trade?

Hmm....

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It's impossible for Duquette to trade Gausman for Blackmon. Yes.

For Gausman, yes, but it doesn't feel like he's beyond making a deal for Blackmon and dealing from scarcity and then calling the off season a success. That and over paying for Davis is a strategy?

They don't have the assets to make deals. They had some room to maneuver with payroll and acquire a good FA (Upton), but it doesn't seem like that's a path they're choosing. Restocking the system is fine but not if you're trading away from what you're trying to rebuild.

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I'm late to the party but I have to say that the idea of trading Gausman, Bundy or Harvey for any of Colorado's outfielders is nuts. Bundy and Harvey are still the O's best prospects, by quite a bit. The O's best chance of winning over the next few years is for two of Gausman, Bundy and Harvey to turn into cheap top of the rotation starters. There's no way that a cost-conscious team can give up on that kind of upside potential.

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He is. He can't hit LHP any more. Why play a poor fielding guy who hits LHP worse than Flaherty and costs 18 M, v a LHP ?

When's the last time Flaherty OPS'd .875 against lefties for a full season? For Gonzalez it was 2013. Gonzalez' career OPS against lefties is about 100 points higher than Flaherty's career OPS.

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I'm late to the party but I have to say that the idea of trading Gausman, Bundy or Harvey for any of Colorado's outfielders is nuts. Bundy and Harvey are still the O's best prospects, by quite a bit. The O's best chance of winning over the next few years is for two of Gausman, Bundy and Harvey to turn into cheap top of the rotation starters. There's no way that a cost-conscious team can give up on that kind of upside potential.

Completely nuts. I'd rather have the three pitchers and a waiver wire OFer than trading and/or paying a hefty price for the Colorado guys. I'm interested in those OFers, but only if the price is relatively small or it's a Gonzalez salary dump.

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Completely nuts. I'd rather have the three pitchers and a waiver wire OFer than trading and/or paying a hefty price for the Colorado guys. I'm interested in those OFers, but only if the price is relatively small or it's a Gonzalez salary dump.

Agreed. And the problem with moving Gonzalez is that you have another hole somewhere where you already need to fill a spot (that, and Gonzalez doesn't really fit into what Colorado should be trying to do).

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I don't know if you'd get his road stats. I'll try to find some data if I get time, but I think there is at least anecdotal evidence that ex-Rockies often outperform their old road numbers. But he'd have to be healthy and reasonably good to earn a 2/37 deal. I'd hope that any trade was mostly a salary dump, maybe a bit of cash coming back and not much in the way of return in players.

Edit: Examples of the above. Dexter Fowler often had terrible road splits, but has hit about as well since he left Colorado as he did there, far better than road splits would suggest. Dante Bichette and Andres Galarraga both hit quite well relative to their splits on other teams after having giant Colorado splits. Chris Iannetta had some of those bizarro .950/.600 type home road splits after a few years with the Rockies, but has been a .740ish OPS player since going to Anaheim, until falling off last year.

It makes some sense, for reasons we've discussed before: the fact that 3 of the 4 NL West road parks are very tough places to hit, and the difficulty of adjusting from high-altitude to low-altitude hitting environments. Still, the spectre of Garrett Atkins looms large in our memories.

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It makes some sense, for reasons we've discussed before: the fact that 3 of the 4 NL West road parks are very tough places to hit, and the difficulty of adjusting from high-altitude to low-altitude hitting environments. Still, the spectre of Garrett Atkins looms large in our memories.

Atkins was sub-replacement for about 1000 PAs before the Orioles acquired him, and in 2009 his Colorado OPS was .680. Whatever you think of Carlos Gonzalez (or even the other Colorado outfielders) they don't seem to have a whole lot in common with Atkins.

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