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Fox Sports ranks the Orioles #1 as the most tortured fan base in MLB


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Losing 4 straight after winning the first game against the Mets in 1969 was painful. The 1967 season after being World Champions in 1966 was painful. Losing to the Pirates in 1971 and 1979 was painful. Losing to the Brewers on the last day of 1982 was painful. Armando Benitez singlehandedly blowing 3 playoff games in 1997 against the Indians was painful. But I wouldn't trade those experiences for anything. Which is why painful things are not the same for me anyway as tortured. And last year's 81 win season was nowhere near as painful for me as any of those.

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Don't forget about this guy...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Maier

Or about Gregg Olson blowing back to back Save opportunities in Toronto during the Final series of the "Why Not" season.

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My honest opinion on rankings like these? We need some actual games to start writing and talking about. The Ravens have been a very successful franchise, but I found this season pretty painful as a fan. Franchises go through ups and downs, and the downs suck for all. Obviously, the longer you are "down" the worse it gets, and we expeienced a run like that, but not over the past few years.

Ravens fans could not be classified anywhere near the top half of a list of "most tortured fans."

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I think it shows how bad we were from 1998-2011. I would put us in the top 10, but the Cubs, Indians, Pirates, Mariners and Padres shout be ahead of us. I disagree completely with Philly being in the top 20, because their fans, while extremely knowledgeable and loyal, are some of the meanest and obnoxious people I've ever met.

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Yes, the most wins in the AL over the last four years certainly means that us Orioles fans have had it the WORST in ALL of baseball. (Not to mention being the most winning franchise in ALL of baseball for the 25 years from 1959-1984). Perhaps one would suffer less as say a Seattle Mariners fan who have NEVER been in a World Series, much less won any and who have had 26/38 years of losing seasons...and had the Kingdome. Or have you ever been to a Miami Marlins game? With the other 25 people there? What a disaster. Or the totally depressing experience of Tropicana "Field"...lol. I would never go to a game if I was a Tampa Bay fan. No, the Orioles have been one of the sustaining pleasures of my life and it is not even close.

In the last 4 years did they ever have the most wins in a single season? Did they have the best record over the last 2 or 3 or 5 or 6 years? Where do they rank in post season wins over the past 4 years? 3 years?

4 playoff seasons in 32 years has so lowered the bar that people will grasp at any arbitrary stat to pretend to feel good.

A once proud franchise reduced to saying 'we are better than Tampa'. Smh

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In the last 4 years did they ever have the most wins in a single season? Did they have the best record over the last 2 or 3 or 5 or 6 years? Where do they rank in post season wins over the past 4 years? 3 years?

4 playoff seasons in 32 years has so lowered the bar that people will grasp at any arbitrary stat to pretend to feel good.

A once proud franchise reduced to saying 'we are better than Tampa'. Smh

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Better than Tampa, Better than the MFYs, Better than the Red Sucks, Better than the Blow Jays...or maybe you think differently? I don't have to "pretend" to "feel good", I do feel good about the Orioles last four years....Fantastic, in fact. It is you who reduce the positive into a negative. This franchise is still proud, not "once proud" and I am still proud of their accomplishments over the last four years as they brought a lot of joy to my life. I hope you found something to like about the last four years of this "once proud" franchise...if not, I am truly sorry.

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2012 was a joy to behold. 2014 was a lot of fun up until Game 1 of the ALCS.

Yes, we haven't been blessed with overwhelming success and the 14 year wandering in the desert period sucked royally, but we're far from "tortured."

I officially call bullocks.

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It all depends on your time frame and your perspective on life. Stevie Janowski may be the most tortured fan in the entire United States. The Orioles have given me a lot more pleasure than pain, and in a way, the bad times make the good times that much sweeter. I'm not feeling tortured at all.

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