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Rickard would be my guess.

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Can he play center? To me the lack of a real option at center field is another reason to go with Austin Jackson. I only want Jay Bruce on a salary dump. He's not good enough to be worth any prospect of any value.

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Can he play center? To me the lack of a real option at center field is another reason to go with Austin Jackson. I only want Jay Bruce on a salary dump. He's not good enough to be worth any prospect of any value.

He's played mostly center in his professional career.

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What evidence do you have for that? CD has had very few IN in the OF. Not enough to make any determination about his defense.

Chris Davis has played 71 career games in the outfield. He has a UZR of 6.4 per 162 games in the outfield.

Mark Trumbo has played 270 games in the outfield and has a UZR/162 of -8.5 as an outfielder.

BBRef's defensive metrics also indicate that Chris Davis has been an above average outfielder for his career while Mark Trumbo has been below average.

If you don't like defensive stats in small samples, you also have the testimony of Buck Showalter, who said that Davis might be the O's best right fielder prior to last season, and who also said that Davis loves to play the outfield. (See the link to Peter Schmuck's article below).

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/schmuck-blog/bal-does-orioles-slugger-chris-davis-really-love-right-field-20150227-story.html

There's no reason that Chris Davis can't be a good outfielder. He is fast and athletic. His arm is good enough that he came up as a third baseman.

What's the evidence that Chris Davis isn't a good outfielder? What's the evidence that he doesn't want to play in the outfield?

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The problem with going with inhouse candidates is that you have no idea what we have with Kim. One hole in the outfield is one thing, but if Kim is not ready to be an everyday player, we have 2 spots to fill with in house candidates.

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Chris Davis has played 71 career games in the outfield. He has a UZR of 6.4 per 162 games in the outfield.

Mark Trumbo has played 270 games in the outfield and has a UZR/162 of -8.5 as an outfielder.

BBRef's defensive metrics also indicate that Chris Davis has been an above average outfielder for his career while Mark Trumbo has been below average.

If you don't like defensive stats in small samples, you also have the testimony of Buck Showalter, who said that Davis might be the O's best right fielder prior to last season, and who also said that Davis loves to play the outfield. (See the link to Peter Schmuck's article below).

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/schmuck-blog/bal-does-orioles-slugger-chris-davis-really-love-right-field-20150227-story.html

There's no reason that Chris Davis can't be a good outfielder. He is fast and athletic. His arm is good enough that he came up as a third baseman.

What's the evidence that Chris Davis isn't a good outfielder? What's the evidence that he doesn't want to play in the outfield?

It's worth considering. But Davis is also a good first baseman. I would feel a lot better about our defense if we had Austin Jackson out there.

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Chris Davis has played 71 career games in the outfield. He has a UZR of 6.4 per 162 games in the outfield.

Mark Trumbo has played 270 games in the outfield and has a UZR/162 of -8.5 as an outfielder.

BBRef's defensive metrics also indicate that Chris Davis has been an above average outfielder for his career while Mark Trumbo has been below average.

If you don't like defensive stats in small samples, you also have the testimony of Buck Showalter, who said that Davis might be the O's best right fielder prior to last season, and who also said that Davis loves to play the outfield. (See the link to Peter Schmuck's article below).

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/schmuck-blog/bal-does-orioles-slugger-chris-davis-really-love-right-field-20150227-story.html

There's no reason that Chris Davis can't be a good outfielder. He is fast and athletic. His arm is good enough that he came up as a third baseman.

What's the evidence that Chris Davis isn't a good outfielder? What's the evidence that he doesn't want to play in the outfield?

I like defensive metrics well enough but you have to understand how to read them. You need at least 2 years of data for them to give you an adequate picture, better if you have three. Also a G at a position doesn't necessarily mean 9 IN, he could play one IN in the OF and be credited for a G. A full season at a position is At least 1200 IN. Trumbo has about 2 seasons worth, and is less than a -1 W fielder. Davis simply doesn't have enough OF IN to say anything about his ability in the OF. The point wasn't that Davis is a poor OF, it was that he was better than Trumbo. There isnt enough data to say so.
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Btw I am by no means an "insider info" guy and only have my own opinion... As such, common sense leads me to believe that if Cincy expects the O's to take on anywhere close to the 13mil Bruce is owed this season then the prospect('s) they will get back will not be media frenzy news.

Basically the more money the Reds take on of Bruce's salary the better prospect they receive. IMO the O's give up a Walker or Reyes type prospect and the Reds give up Bruce and a mid-tier pitching prospect and keep a couple million of Bruce salary. This way the O's get their RF as well as much needed pitching in the system and give up from a position of excess.

Jomar Reyes is actually a good prospect and ranked 3 or 4 depending where you look. Organizational filler is what Walker is and likely no more.

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Chris Davis has played 71 career games in the outfield. He has a UZR of 6.4 per 162 games in the outfield.

Mark Trumbo has played 270 games in the outfield and has a UZR/162 of -8.5 as an outfielder.

BBRef's defensive metrics also indicate that Chris Davis has been an above average outfielder for his career while Mark Trumbo has been below average.

If you don't like defensive stats in small samples, you also have the testimony of Buck Showalter, who said that Davis might be the O's best right fielder prior to last season, and who also said that Davis loves to play the outfield. (See the link to Peter Schmuck's article below).

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/schmuck-blog/bal-does-orioles-slugger-chris-davis-really-love-right-field-20150227-story.html

There's no reason that Chris Davis can't be a good outfielder. He is fast and athletic. His arm is good enough that he came up as a third baseman.

What's the evidence that Chris Davis isn't a good outfielder? What's the evidence that he doesn't want to play in the outfield?

According to Roch, Davis doesn't doesn't want to play the outfield, Buck doesn't want him to play the outfield, and the Orioles gave Davis assurances during negotiations that he would be playing first base, as he desired.

Davis isn't playing right field regularly.

Also, Davis is not fast. He's fast for a very large dude, he is not fast for a major league outfielder. As for evidence he isn't good, it's too small a sample for metrics to be meaningful, and I saw a lot of suspect routes when he was out there.

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