Pitch framing matters

[LookitsPuck]

Said all year. Wieters should be on first.

[Frobby]

Eyesight also matters. Terrible call.

[harp6]

Said all year. Wieters should be on first.

No. This ump has just been bad. Most of the umps do a good job now of days. This ump has been calling against the O's all game. '

At one point the commentator said the strike zone was in favor of the pitcher earlier in the game, but now the ump is calling a tighter game. He made the comment when the O's were pitching. The ump had a wide strike zone when the Blue Jays were pitching earlier in the game.

[Catch 8]

If Donaldson had scored after his double, I would have posted something on pitch framing. Russell Martin out-classed Wieters in that department, and I like Wieters a lot.

The difference between falling behind a hitter and getting ahead of a hitter is ... well ... LARGE. However, our relief pitching and defense bailed Wieters out of his area of weakness.

[Can_of_corn]

Said all year. Wieters should be on first.

So you would have started Caleb?

[Nite]

That umpire was so terrible it calls into fixed game terrible area.

[Going Underground]

So you would have started Caleb?

Wieters might go to the Nationals. I guess his catching skills will look better.

[LookitsPuck]

So, it doesn't matter how many things you type that are just dead wrong, you still feel fine about posting about your knowledge with a lot of ego exuding? You couldn't stay positive for a single game. Not one freaking game. A game that is still tied in the 11th.

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FWIW, that post was made when Wieters was batting. I believe it was a 3-1 count which should have been ball 4 but Martin framed a "strike". So when I say Wieters should be on first I meant as a base runner. Not as a defender. I just didn't explain it well.

And no I wouldn't have started Caleb.

[Frobby]

Martin is one of the best I've seen at pulling the low pitches up into the zone without being too obvious about it. Personally, I think Wieters gets too much criticism here for his pitch framing, but I do think Martin is outstanding and gives the Blue Jays an edge over most other teams in that regard.

[Babypowder]

Said all year. Wieters should be on first.

First? Like first base? With an 88 wRC+?

That's a replacement level player, at best.

[Frobby]

First? Like first base? With an 88 wRC+?

That's a replacement level player, at best.

He meant, the 3-1 pitch to Wieters should have been ball four and Wieters should have been on first base, as a baserunner. He was not talking about Wieters becoming a first baseman.

[Babypowder]

He meant, the 3-1 pitch to Wieters should have been ball four and Wieters should have been on first base, as a baserunner. He was not talking about Wieters becoming a first baseman.

Ahh, so this escaped from the game thread.

[LookitsPuck]

Ahh, so this escaped from the game thread.

It did. I'll admit alcohol played a part.

[spiritof66]

Maybe I just don't appreciate the art of pitch-framing, but I didn't think the missed ball/strike calls last night were affected by pitch framing. I thought they were just bad calls.

Maybe I'm being narrow-minded, but I don't understand how anyone who watched that game (or any of about 2/3 of the Orioles games down the stretch) can fail to see that electronic determinations of what pitches hit the strike zone would improve the game.

[Can_of_corn]

Maybe I just don't appreciate the art of pitch-framing, but I didn't think the missed ball/strike calls last night were affected by pitch framing. I thought they were just bad calls.

Maybe I'm being narrow-minded, but I don't understand how anyone who watched that game (or any of about 2/3 of the Orioles games down the stretch) can fail to see that electronic determinations of what pitches hit the strike zone would improve the game.

Part of the issue I have with folks trying to model the effects of framing is exactly that. I don't think there is a truly accurate way to differentiate why a call is made.