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POLL: Yay or nay on Beckham trade?

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POLL: Do you like the Tim Beckham trade?  

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  1. 1. Do you like the Tim Beckham trade?

    • Yes. Beckham is under control through 2020 and could be the SS of the future.
      92
    • No. We should be acquiring prospects, not trading them away.
      24
    • Meh. Nothing lost, nothing gained.
      17

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9 minutes ago, phillyOs119 said:

He is solid defensively this year, most of the bad throws are on balls Hardy wouldn't even get to.  He grades out as about average on all the defensive metrics, slightly above average UVR, average DRS, slightly below average BIS DRS, slightly above average Total Zone.

But how does he rank in the all important Official Scorer thought it was an error category?

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12 minutes ago, phillyOs119 said:

He is solid defensively this year, most of the bad throws are on balls Hardy wouldn't even get to.  He grades out as about average on all the defensive metrics, slightly above average UVR, average DRS, slightly below average BIS DRS, slightly above average Total Zone.

He's -2 DRS and nothing I've seen tells me he'll get better w age. I like looking at defensive metrics but they don't tell you enough about the why.

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1 minute ago, Il BuonO said:

He's -2 DRS and nothing I've seen tells me he'll get better w age. I like looking at defensive metrics but they don't tell you enough about the why.

I don't love his glove either but there isn't a huge supply of guys that will give you 2 WAR at short.  The sensible thing to do is keep him there and try not to blow a gasket when he flubs one.

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14 minutes ago, phillyOs119 said:

He is solid defensively this year, most of the bad throws are on balls Hardy wouldn't even get to.  He grades out as about average on all the defensive metrics, slightly above average UVR, average DRS, slightly below average BIS DRS, slightly above average Total Zone.

So, his elite range makes him solid? I used to scout players and nothing I've seen from Beckham says solid. One elite aspect of a player's overall game does not make him solid. It's an accumulation of excelling in all things that go into the defensive position played.

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3 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

I don't love his glove either but there isn't a huge supply of guys that will give you 2 WAR at short.  The sensible thing to do is keep him there and try not to blow a gasket when he flubs one.

No. I put out my best defensive team and that doesn't include him at SS when Machado has better hands, footwork and arm.

You don't think Beckham is athletic enough to play OF?

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4 minutes ago, Il BuonO said:

No. I put out my best defensive team and that doesn't include him at SS when Machado has better hands, footwork and arm.

You don't think Beckham is athletic enough to play OF?

That has nothing to do with why I wouldn't move him out there.

I'm sure he would be a significant upgrade over Trumbo and Mancini.

If you want a great defensive team have Janish play short.

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8 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

That has nothing to do with why I wouldn't move him out there.

I'm sure he would be a significant upgrade over Trumbo and Mancini.

If you want a great defensive team have Janish play short.

I am still glad DD got him in that trade. 

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7 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

That has nothing to do with why I wouldn't move him out there.

I'm sure he would be a significant upgrade over Trumbo and Mancini.

If you want a great defensive team have Janish play short.

I want the best team within reason. Janish is good defensively (he used to be great) but he's an automatic out. I like Beckham's bat, but your solution is to say just live with his below average defense when there is clearly a better solution.

Unless, as I've stated before, the team has no hope of  extending or signing Machado. Then, it makes perfect sense to go with a weaker option you hope gets better.

 

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29 minutes ago, Il BuonO said:

He's -2 DRS and nothing I've seen tells me he'll get better w age. I like looking at defensive metrics but they don't tell you enough about the why.

You quoted the 1 out of the four metrics I mentioned where he ranks below average.  I agree defensive metrics aren't everything, but the eye test looks to me like he's solid average there.

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7 minutes ago, Il BuonO said:

I want the best team within reason. Janish is good defensively (he used to be great) but he's an automatic out. I like Beckham's bat, but your solution is to say just live with his below average defense when there is clearly a better solution.

Unless, as I've stated before, the team has no hope of  extending or signing Machado. Then, it makes perfect sense to go with a weaker option you hope gets better.

 

My solution doesn't involve blocking a young outfielder or finding a third baseman.

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1 minute ago, Can_of_corn said:

My solution doesn't involve blocking a young outfielder or finding a third baseman.

So, it's a given now that the guys you mentioned all make the team? Your solution involves the 40 man not the active  roster, except for Hays. Let me know if all three make the team next spring. I also know Beckham can hit ML pitching. I don't know anything of the kind with the other three. Learning on the job is great if you're in a rebuild. I hadn't heard that's the direction they're taking.

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2 minutes ago, phillyOs119 said:

You quoted the 1 out of the four metrics I mentioned where he ranks below average.  I agree defensive metrics aren't everything, but the eye test looks to me like he's solid average there.

I want him to make a few more routine plays a bit more consistently.  That throwing error against Didi today is an example.  I think he can do it.  Just a few seemingly doable improvements and he could be really good.

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4 minutes ago, Il BuonO said:

So, it's a given now that the guys you mentioned all make the team? Your solution involves the 40 man not the active  roster, except for Hays. Let me know if all three make the team next spring. I also know Beckham can hit ML pitching. I don't know anything of the kind with the other three. Learning on the job is great if you're in a rebuild. I hadn't heard that's the direction they're taking.

Huh?  Right now we are looking at Jones and Mancini in the outfield.  You add Beckham to that and there isn't room for any of the three in a starting role.

What if you can't get dump the Trumbo contact?

Where are you going to find an infielder to replace Beckham?  (At third or second if you move Schoop).

 

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Just now, Chavez Ravine said:

I want him to make a few more routine plays a bit more consistently.  That throwing error against Didi today is an example.  I think he can do it.  Just a few seemingly doable improvements and he could be really good.

Here's the thing; I'm not sure he can. His lack of arm strength causes him to hurry the throw because he's overcompensating on a play like that. 

Dickerson and JJ can work with him til the cows come home on everything else but they aren't improving his arm strength.

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3 minutes ago, Il BuonO said:

Here's the thing; I'm not sure he can. His lack of arm strength causes him to hurry the throw because he's overcompensating on a play like that. 

Dickerson and JJ can work with him til the cows come home on everything else but they aren't improving his arm strength.

I don't think he needed to hurry the throw on that play though. He needs confidence, to learn to live within himself, get a better feel for the game, yadda yadda yadda.

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