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POLL: Yay or nay on Beckham trade?

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POLL: Do you like the Tim Beckham trade?  

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  1. 1. Do you like the Tim Beckham trade?

    • Yes. Beckham is under control through 2020 and could be the SS of the future.
      92
    • No. We should be acquiring prospects, not trading them away.
      24
    • Meh. Nothing lost, nothing gained.
      17

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46 minutes ago, Ruzious said:

Gimme a break.  He had a 135 OPS+ for the O's.  The O's MVP had a 126 OPS+.  We can debate his defense, but I think it's ridiculous to complain about his offense.      

Frankly, I'd be thrilled if Beckham in 2018 can replicate what he's done overall in 2017 -- .280/.330/.457, 22 HR, 62 RBI, 3.4 rWAR, 3.4 fWAR.   Despite the errors, the advanced metrics have him at about average defensively.     I think there's still a little room for growth here.    

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52 minutes ago, Ruzious said:

Gimme a break.  He had a 135 OPS+ for the O's.  The O's MVP had a 126 OPS+.  We can debate his defense, but I think it's ridiculous to complain about his offense.      

I think his track record on offense is debatable. If he had performed consistently above what he did with the Rays they may have been reticent to move him. Above average offensive production covers a multitude of sins on defense.

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2 minutes ago, Il BuonO said:

I think his track record on offense is debatable. If he had performed consistently above what he did with the Rays they may have been reticent to move him. Above average offensive production covers a multitude of sins on defense.

The lowest OPS+ he's had in his career is 93.  There aren't many SS's who can say that - probably none in the O's history.  I stand by my comment.  

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3 minutes ago, Frobby said:

I'd agree, but I like the trend line.   His K rate leaves him vulnerable but he's got good speed and pop.

 

7 minutes ago, Ruzious said:

The lowest OPS+ he's had in his career is 93.  There aren't many SS's who can say that - probably none in the O's history.  I stand by my comment.  

I'm not arguing except to say there's still a little question about his history and whether  or not he can become a  consistent offensive producer. He is trending upwards and I like his approach at the plate.

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Just now, webbrick2010 said:

In 3 years when Tobias Myers is breaking into the Ray rotation and Beckham has already been dumped after being the worst defensive SS in O's history, someone will dig up this thread/poll

Tim Beckham is not a SS for a good ML team

I think Tobias Myers has the potential to be a good major league pitcher, but I doubt it happens in three years.    The Rays are good at developing pitchers, and their track record is that they're very patient with them and don't skip steps in the development process.   I'd guess the earliest you'd see Myers is the 2nd half of 2021, if then.

I don't want to judge Beckham on two months or even his full year, but I think you're vastly understating his potential.   He's been an above average major league player this season, which is really his first full season in the majors.   

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2 minutes ago, Frobby said:

I think Tobias Myers has the potential to be a good major league pitcher, but I doubt it happens in three years.    The Rays are good at developing pitchers, and their track record is that they're very patient with them and don't skip steps in the development process.   I'd guess the earliest you'd see Myers is the 2nd half of 2021, if then.

I don't want to judge Beckham on two months or even his full year, but I think you're vastly understating his potential.   He's been an above average major league player this season, which is really his first full season in the majors.   

We'll see... someone will bump this thread in a year or two or again in three and just like the recent bumps of Davis and Trumbo threads those who were in the minority will be correct again

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11 minutes ago, webbrick2010 said:

We'll see... someone will bump this thread in a year or two or again in three and just like the recent bumps of Davis and Trumbo threads those who were in the minority will be correct again

Feeling your oats, eh?    Well, can't say I blame you.   You're right that this will get bumped, one way or the other.

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40 minutes ago, webbrick2010 said:

We'll see... someone will bump this thread in a year or two or again in three and just like the recent bumps of Davis and Trumbo threads those who were in the minority will be correct again

You should sue SNL for their Debbie Downer being character infringement on you.  <cue sound effects>    

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47 minutes ago, webbrick2010 said:

We'll see... someone will bump this thread in a year or two or again in three and just like the recent bumps of Davis and Trumbo threads those who were in the minority will be correct again

We shall see but I don't think we know yet. My scout friend  said he got pull happy in Tampa and they wanted him to  use his speed more. Maybe getting traded was a wake up call. Just thought it was weird that Roch mentioned trading him. He usually spouts the company line. 

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After looking at the list of FA shortstops, I think you can pretty much pencil in Beckham as our starter. 

 

PLAYER (12)
POS.
AGE
TEAM
H
RBI
HR
AVG
OPS
IP
ERA
W
SV
2017 SALARY
MARKET VALUE (AAV)
Zack Cozart SS 32 CIN 129 62 24 .299 .941         $5,325,000 $13,684,786
Eduardo Nunez SS 30 BOS 146 58 12 .313 .801         $4,200,000 $15,219,014
Andres Blanco SS 33 PHI 25 13 3 .192 .549 0.3       $3,000,000 -
Darwin Barney SS 31 TOR 76 24 5 .232 .597         $2,887,500 -
Alcides Escobar SS 30 KC 146 51 6 .250 .625         $6,500,000 $9,907,443
Cliff Pennington SS 33 LAA 48 19 3 .259 .652         $2,250,000 -
Erick Aybar SS 33 SD 75 21 7 .228 .635 1.3       $1,750,000 -
Ruben Tejada SS 27 BAL 26 5   .230 .576         $1,350,000 -
Chris Volstad SS 31 CHW           13.3       $535,000 -
Danny Espinosa SS 30 TB 46 31 6 .173 .523         $535,000 -
Paul Janish SS 34 BAL 2 3   .077 .188         $535,000 -
Everth Cabrera SS 30 CHW      
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