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Not awful, but very lucky start for Jiminez.  Lots of baserunners.  The rotation does seem to be settling just a bit, but I still think we can find quality, cheap depth through a waiver trade.  

Who is rebuilding in the National League that would like to unload a starter that doesn't fit into their long term plans?

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8 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:

The reality of the 2nd wild card. A mediocre, flawed, team is going to make the playoffs. What makes KC, SEA, TB more deserving than us?  Like it or not, we're 2 GB of a playoff game. 

I think we could make a little move for Cashner or Chacin for a top 25-30 prospect. That isn't dooming the franchise. 

This. All you have to do is get in. Anything can happen in a five or seven game series. 

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6 hours ago, Roy Firestone said:

These things have to happen. Gausman and Bundy have to stay elite(Bundy is on an innings watch). Ubaldo has to stay relatively hot, at least give us a chance. Miley has to be decent and Miguel Castro has to become Vida Blue. I don't think most of those things will happen so acquiring someone at the waiver wire probably isn't going to help much.

This word is used too loosely now a day.

But far as Orioles being a playoff bound team, I think that's fools gold. We're too inconsistent to be a playoff team. A 1,000 other teams have to fall off a cliff and we'll have to get lucky and go on a run that I don't see happening. It's August and we're still saying "If Miley pitches decent. If Ubaldo doesn't implode in the 5th, we'll be OK!". Now, I've been wrong before and I hope I'm wrong here! I just don't see it. But please Orioles, shut me up and prove me wrong! I'm all for it.

 

Go O's

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19 minutes ago, survivedc said:

Which is where the score stayed in the KC loss. Gotta be honest, not sure where you're coming from. It seems like you're rooting for the teams ahead of the O's to prove a point.

Not at all. I didn't understand why the score was posted in the first place. I just responded.

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14 minutes ago, $Greatness$ said:

This word is used too loosely now a day.

But far as Orioles being a playoff bound team, I think that's fools gold. We're too inconsistent to be a playoff team. A 1,000 other teams have to fall off a cliff and we'll have to get lucky and go on a run that I don't see happening. It's August and we're still saying "If Miley pitches decent. If Ubaldo doesn't implode in the 5th, we'll be OK!". Now, I've been wrong before and I hope I'm wrong here! I just don't see it. But please Orioles, shut me up and prove me wrong! I'm all for it.

 

Go O's

Youre right that, by now, we know that Miley and Ubaldo are awful. But at the same time, we managed to hang around the wildcard until August. From here on out, its a short season left to play, and as the number of remaining games dwindles, the opportunity for a "lucky outcome" increases. 

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When I'm being honest with myself, I don't think our chances at postseason baseball are that great. But I don't dwell on that. I'm glad, ecstatic at times, that the Orioles are playing good, entertaining baseball. It's impressive that this team has even a shot at the postseason after some of what it's gone through and the disappointing seasons so many guys were having.

I'm just trying to enjoy it, while I muse about how much of the games on the West Coast I'll be able to catch.

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24 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:

Are we planning to start Castro, or are we going back to a 5 man rotation?  If we can just be in it in September we can manufacture a 6th starter with some bullpen guys. 

I haven't seen a guy on a realistic option for a SP clear waivers yet. 

I think it's close to a zero percent chance they start Castro this August.

I do think they'll use bullpen days in September.  Take a look at Wright's results since returning to Norfolk.  I could see them pairing him with Bleier/Aquino.

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6 hours ago, Roy Firestone said:

These things have to happen. Gausman and Bundy have to stay elite(Bundy is on an innings watch). Ubaldo has to stay relatively hot, at least give us a chance. Miley has to be decent and Miguel Castro has to become Vida Blue. I don't think most of those things will happen so acquiring someone at the waiver wire probably isn't going to help much.

Roy Firestone said this today regarding what the Orioles need to be playoff bound:  "These things have to happen. Gausman and Bundy have to stay elite(Bundy is on an innings watch). Ubaldo has to stay relatively hot, at least give us a chance. Miley has to be decent and Miguel Castro has to become Vida Blue. I don't think most of those things will happen so acquiring someone at the waiver wire probably isn't going to help much."

All of the above correctly illustrates that the difficulty for the Orioles to make the playoffs is enormous.  That said, every bit of the above is wrong.  None of these things need to happen specifically.  The Orioles are 2 games back of the wild card at this moment.  Sure, they also have 3 teams in front of them.  These are facts and they cannot be dismissed.  It should also be pointed out that there is not a single team in the AL that is without flaws and in spite of how abysmally the Orioles have played, if you will objectively look at numbers, you can make a case either way.  But it boils down to this.  The Orioles team from Opening day until May 9 could do some damage.  The team from May 10 till the trading deadline will not.  Consistency is not the issue.  The Orioles were consistently one of the best until they were not.  And then they have been consistently among the worst. (Yes it is worst!!! NOT WORSE)  

The Orioles had the best record in the AL from Day one until May 9.  Not one of the above occurred. (well arguably Bundy and in fairness Miley was decent...but you get what I mean).  Oh and at the same time Manny was pretty average and Chris Davis and Mark Trumbo were pretty plain.The Orioles simply need to get on a roll and stay there.  They need a swagger that carries them.  I honestly believe that Manny can carry them and Jones, Schoop and Beckham and yes Davis and Trumbo can do it.  Gausman et al can do just enough. And Buck and DD can cover the rest.  Would it take another pitcher?  Probably.  But here is where we are at on August 6, 2017.

The Orioles are good enough to win the entire god dang thing.  And they are horrendous enough to finish under .500.  It's a tale of two teams really.  There is still time for either team to define this season and in truth one of them will.  The real question here is which side are YOU going to bet on.  The odds are in favor of the Orioles going belly up.  But I don't want to be in the crowd screaming at the bad Orioles.  I want to be screaming for the Pennant Winning Baltimore Orioles.  Call me crazy, but all of that can happen without any of the above and that, to me...is encouraging.
 

Imagine that....  

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2 minutes ago, backwardsk said:

I think it's close to a zero percent chance they start Castro this August.

I do think they'll use bullpen days in September.  Take a look at Wright's results since returning to Norfolk.  I could see them pairing him with Bleier/Aquino.

I like Wright. Of all the guys in AAA that don't have options, I think he's the one that makes the team next year. He looked good out the pen before he got hurt. He was just a little unlucky. 

I see DD tinkering the roster and adding some role players for Sept. 1st and expanded rosters. 

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6 hours ago, Tx Oriole said:

Verlander has a notrade clause in his contract. I am sure the O's are on it. I would keep the team as is. In September when the rI am not very confident the O's can make a WC game. 

A full no-trade clause

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9 minutes ago, foxfield said:

Roy Firestone said this today regarding what the Orioles need to be playoff bound:  "These things have to happen. Gausman and Bundy have to stay elite(Bundy is on an innings watch). Ubaldo has to stay relatively hot, at least give us a chance. Miley has to be decent and Miguel Castro has to become Vida Blue. I don't think most of those things will happen so acquiring someone at the waiver wire probably isn't going to help much."

All of the above correctly illustrates that the difficulty for the Orioles to make the playoffs is enormous.  That said, every bit of the above is wrong.  None of these things need to happen specifically.  The Orioles are 2 games back of the wild card at this moment.  Sure, they also have 3 teams in front of them.  These are facts and they cannot be dismissed.  It should also be pointed out that there is not a single team in the AL that is without flaws and in spite of how abysmally the Orioles have played, if you will objectively look at numbers, you can make a case either way.  But it boils down to this.  The Orioles team from Opening day until May 9 could do some damage.  The team from May 10 till the trading deadline will not.  Consistency is not the issue.  The Orioles were consistently one of the best until they were not.  And then they have been consistently among the worst. (Yes it is worst!!! NOT WORSE)  

The Orioles had the best record in the AL from Day one until May 9.  Not one of the above occurred. (well arguably Bundy and in fairness Miley was decent...but you get what I mean).  Oh and at the same time Manny was pretty average and Chris Davis and Mark Trumbo were pretty plain.The Orioles simply need to get on a roll and stay there.  They need a swagger that carries them.  I honestly believe that Manny can carry them and Jones, Schoop and Beckham and yes Davis and Trumbo can do it.  Gausman et al can do just enough. And Buck and DD can cover the rest.  Would it take another pitcher?  Probably.  But here is where we are at on August 6, 2017.

The Orioles are good enough to win the entire god dang thing.  And they are horrendous enough to finish under .500.  It's a tale of two teams really.  There is still time for either team to define this season and in truth one of them will.  The real question here is which side are YOU going to bet on.  The odds are in favor of the Orioles going belly up.  But I don't want to be in the crowd screaming at the bad Orioles.  I want to be screaming for the Pennant Winning Baltimore Orioles.  Call me crazy, but all of that can happen without any of the above and that, to me...is encouraging.
 

Imagine that....  

Imagine if Givens had been good....

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