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The O's plan to get into the playoffs: "Fingers crossed, you guys!"

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2 hours ago, interloper said:

I mean here are the Angels, the team we're directly competing with for the 2nd WC spot, and they made extremely bold moves to ensure they did everything possible to get into the playoffs.

And then the Orioles... I mean, I'm loathe to give up prospects as much as the next guy, but if you can't find a Top 30 dude you're willing to give up to get what would be a #3 starter in your rotation to help get you over the hump... what the hell are you doing? The plan appears to be "welp, hope we continue to out hit our pitching!" And if you've seen the Orioles in September, you know that won't be the case. August is their hot month, and with the cool weather comes the cool bats.

The lack of a definitive plan is startling, especially from Duquette who will jump at most chances to incrementally improve the roster by trading prospects. Gonzalez would have been more than incremental - he's better than Hellickson and he would replaced one of our 7+ ERA starters. 

To me, it's ridiculous to look at the current WC standings, and see the Angels name right in front of us, knowing they have now essentially added Adam Jones to their team AND a .750 OPS infielder. Meanwhile, we have shrugged and basically said, "fingers crossed!", while calling up a few minor leaguers who will barely play as it is. 

Once again the O's neither sell nor buy - this approach is weak, it's frustrating, and it won't result in much winning now or in the future.

I do agree with you. I hoped DD would have have traded for Miggy. Maybe he didn't get permission from his master. It is frustrating that the FO wants to keep things as is. Dammit.

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1 hour ago, Frobby said:

First of all, I agree with a lot of what you say in your post, so don't take what I'm about to say as meaning I disagree with your overall point.

That said, as someone who copiously records the Orioles' monthly performance, I don't think it's true that September is typically a cold month for our offense.   During Buck's tenure (September/Oct. vs. full year)

So, in 5 of Buck's 7 seasons, we've exceeded the season average in September/October.

Ah, fair point! I took a chance on that one figuring it might be true, but alas, not so much!

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1 hour ago, weams said:

Not meaning to troll of course. I think Miley is better.  

That's okay Weams. All have a right to their opinion. To be honest I thought the O's were toast in July. But then they came out and started playing better. That's why I wanted Miggy. I thought he would help our rotation. 

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It doesn't matter if Miggy is better than Miley.  What matters is whether Miggy is better than Tillman or Ubaldo, and about that there is no doubt.

We may never know who the O's would have had to give up to get Miggy, but the prospect the Rangers gave up seems like a Garret Cleavinger type--a former high draft choice who hasn't been anything special in pro ball.  Someone like Josh Hart. 

And even if we didn't get Miggy, we should have been able to find another starter who is better than Tillman or Jimenez.  Matt Moore passed through waivers, for instance; he's nowhere near as good as he was before his injury but he's still distinctly better than Tillman or Jimenez.  

 

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37 minutes ago, Three Run Homer said:

It doesn't matter if Miggy is better than Miley.  What matters is whether Miggy is better than Tillman or Ubaldo, and about that there is no doubt.

We may never know who the O's would have had to give up to get Miggy, but the prospect the Rangers gave up seems like a Garret Cleavinger type--a former high draft choice who hasn't been anything special in pro ball.  Someone like Josh Hart. 

And even if we didn't get Miggy, we should have been able to find another starter who is better than Tillman or Jimenez.  Matt Moore passed through waivers, for instance; he's nowhere near as good as he was before his injury but he's still distinctly better than Tillman or Jimenez.  

 

Right. Maybe he's your #4 or your #5, it really doesn't matter. He's an upgrade any way you slice it.

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I don't know why we didn't select Verlander or Maybin. Verlander to block him - Maybin to become a better baseball team. 

If we could have gotten Gonzo for an U recognizable name, I'd take him. I have no doubt that we'd have him now if Duq hadn't let him go before. No matter what you believe yourself to be, that's not an easy thing to do. 

We should not have let him go. We should not have let Edwin go. We should not have traded for Hellickson. We will be playing in October because we are the O's & Manny, Schoop, Bundy, Gaus & Mancini will make sure it is so. 

Now, per my attempt to see the positive in a GM I believe to be absolutely abysmal, I will note that Dan didn't give away any top prospects for a bum like Parra and I'm grateful. 

 

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3 hours ago, ArtVanDelay said:

People were citing Hellickson's ERA when we got him, and acting like he was an improvement.  That's worked out well!  ERA is basically useless.  Gonzo is no better than Hellickson. 

Not everyone thought Hellickson was an improvement. Some, correctly, gave the move a cool F-.

 

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