The outfield defense by the numbers, 2014-17

[Frobby]

8 minutes ago, webbrick2010 said:

Hey Frobby if you get the chance how about the same thing for the infield

Be interesting with the transition from Hardy, and Manny going from platinum to only 5 DRS this year

If Beckham is at SS for the majority of the games next year I think there is a chance that the OF defense becomes better than the IF defense

I don't have time to break it down by player right now, but for the non-outfielders it's gone +17.9, +9.9, +24.1, +4.4 the last four years.    I'm not sure if pitchers or catchers are included in that or not -- fangraphs doesn't track UZR at those positions, so I'm just looking at total UZR minus outfield UZR to get the "non-outfield" totals.   

[Il BuonO]

1 hour ago, eddie83 said:

This staff stinks no matter who is in the OF. That said if we could actually move Jones to LF and add a Dyson type to CF along with Hays in RF that has the potential to make a pretty dramatic difference. 

As Frobby noted, Jones has slowed down quite bit. Moving him to LF increases the amount of ground he has to cover and would hurt the defense overall. With your suggestion of a "Dyson type" (if not Dyson himself) I'd put Jones in RF and Dyson in LF with Hays in CF.

I'm not entirely sure Hays is ready for prime time in center, but his skill set profiles better than Jones even if he is a bit rough around the edges. That alignment would make a dramatic difference.

Alternatively, you could even play Dyson in CF to start and throw Hays some starts when you want to give Dyson a rest. Hays could alternate days in right and center effectively giving Jones more rest and gathering experience at both spots. LF can be manned by Mancini on those days or another acquisition, even Gentry with an occasional spot start.

Of course, the likelihood of this happening I would count close to nil.

[Three Run Homer]

Would we be better off with Hays in CF and Adam in RF than the reverse?

[webbrick2010]

1 hour ago, Frobby said:

I don't have time to break it down by player right now, but for the non-outfielders it's gone +17.9, +9.9, +24.1, +4.4 the last four years.    I'm not sure if pitchers or catchers are included in that or not -- fangraphs doesn't track UZR at those positions, so I'm just looking at total UZR minus outfield UZR to get the "non-outfield" totals.   

24.1 to 4.4 from 2016 to 2017, that's kind of meets my eye test for this year. Defense was not good this year

[Frobby]

48 minutes ago, webbrick2010 said:

24.1 to 4.4 from 2016 to 2017, that's kind of meets my eye test for this year. Defense was not good this year

UZR/150 from 2014-17:

Davis: 3.6, 5.7, 4.0, 2.3

Schoop: 0.5, 0.9, 2.1, 4.0

Hardy: 15.4, 10.1, 14.3, 3.2

Machado: 11.2, 8.4, 12.6, 5.1

I don't have a breakdown of Beckham just with the Orioles, but overall at SS he was at 3.3.   Judging by other advanced metrics on BB-ref, he was probably as good or slightly better in Baltimore than he was on Tampa.

 

[InsideCoroner]

17 hours ago, Frobby said:

I look at it this way:   UZR says our outfield gave up 16-17 runs more than an average outfield would.    That's bad.    But at the same time, our pitching staff has allowed 109 more runs than last year (and counting), even though the outfield defense is about 20 runs better than last year's.    So really, it's hard to blame the poor pitching on the outfield defense to any significant degree.   They might want to look at the 55 additional homers and 18 additional walks they've allowed (and counting).

If Mancini, Jones and Smith were at about -28 overall this year and the OF as a whole on the year was -16.2, who pushed the needle towards the black? Gentry and Rickard? Trumbo? Or are the totals weighted and not cumulative? 

[sportsfan8703]

19 hours ago, eddie83 said:

I think I forget to mention that Buck brought up the OF defense on Sunday. He said something along the lines of, "it's something we got away from".  I wasn't sure if it was a subtle knock on Dan or not. I heard it on the radio pregame. 

Good catch. Buck will drop some gems in the press conferences sometimes. Hopefully Hays and Mullins are starting OD 2019 at the latest. That is our best internal hope. 

Interesting that when we had good SP in 2014 that the numbers seem really skewed. 

This team needs a small facelift. Defense, speed, and less K's, in the OF is needed. 

[sportsfan8703]

16 hours ago, Frobby said:

UZR/150 from 2014-17:

Davis: 3.6, 5.7, 4.0, 2.3

Schoop: 0.5, 0.9, 2.1, 4.0

Hardy: 15.4, 10.1, 14.3, 3.2

Machado: 11.2, 8.4, 12.6, 5.1

I don't have a breakdown of Beckham just with the Orioles, but overall at SS he was at 3.3.   Judging by other advanced metrics on BB-ref, he was probably as good or slightly better in Baltimore than he was on Tampa.

 

Just a frustrating year for Manny. Looks like he carried his offensive bad luck onto the field.