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Maybe if the O's overpay by adding an exact year or an another 2m per year.

We have the money and we need to be aggressive if it's still win now with PA. I'd say one of Cobb, Cashner, or Lynn, and one of CC, Dickey, Vargas, Chatwood, or Tillman.

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We have the money and we need to be aggressive if it's still win now with PA. I'd say one of Cobb, Cashner, or Lynn, and one of CC, Dickey, Vargas, Chatwood, or Tillman.

Tillman may come back.  Other than that overpay, overpay, overpay.

Which  really has not been the Orioles way.

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1 hour ago, El Gordo said:

And you miss my point: they will play here if you offer them the most money and that wont be near 100 M.

Overpaying for one of those pitchers is certainly a much better idea then trying to convert a lifelong reliever (at 32) to starting pitcher. Game set match. 

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3 hours ago, wildbillhiccup said:

Overpaying for one of those pitchers is certainly a much better idea then trying to convert a lifelong reliever (at 32) to starting pitcher. Game set match. 

O's need 4 starters.  There is plenty on room for both ideas.

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I can’t be the only one who thinks Cobb and Lynn are both bad ideas.  Both have had TJ, are on the wrong side of 30, and had arguably the worst years of their careers this year (besides 2016 for Cobb when he only started 5 games).  Lynn was probably a little unlucky on his HR/FB%, but he still posted career worst K and BB rates.  

Somehow that doesn't add up to $100MM for me.

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13 hours ago, El Gordo said:

If it isn't this season, then they might as well throw in the towel now.

In my view, they did that when they decided not to rebuild last offseason by trading Manny, not signing Trumbo, selling Britton, etc and we still got a last place finish for that tremendous decision.    2018 is going to be a "closing the barn door after the horse has already gotten out" season, imho.    And the number 100 million for pitchers keeps getting used in this thread, which makes me laugh.   Actually it makes me snort, but in a laughing kind of way.    Seeing as we have never signed a pitcher of any type for more than the 50 million we gave Ubaldo and the old man clearly saw how well that money deal worked out.    They will pursue the same "strategy" this season as they have every offseason as long as the old man has owned this team...not pursue any high tier free agents,  make a token pursuit of second tier free agents for public relations purposes, then at the last part of the offseason, sign one and at the very max two of the least remaining free agent pitchers and then fill in the rotational gaps with the 2018 equivalents of Tyler Wilson, Mike Wright, Alec Asher, etc.    If they sign Tillman, it will be one free agent.  If not, then they might sign two.  

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2 minutes ago, tntoriole said:

In my view, they did that when they decided not to rebuild last offseason by trading Manny, not signing Trumbo, selling Britton, etc and we still got a last place finish for that tremendous decision.    2018 is going to be a "closing the barn door after the horse has already gotten out" season, imho.    And the number 100 million for pitchers keeps getting used in this thread, which makes me laugh.   Actually it makes me snort, but in a laughing kind of way.    Seeing as we have never signed a pitcher of any type for more than the 50 million we gave Ubaldo and the old man clearly saw how well that money deal worked out.    They will pursue the same "strategy" this season as they have every offseason as long as the old man has owned this team...not pursue any high tier free agents,  make a token pursuit of second tier free agents for public relations purposes, then at the last part of the offseason, sign one and at the very max two of the least remaining free agent pitchers and then fill in the rotational gaps with the 2018 equivalents of Tyler Wilson, Mike Wright, Alec Asher, etc.  

While I agree with your overall point the bolded part isn't accurate.

Bell

Tejada

Texiara

Guerrero

 

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9 hours ago, ArtVanDelay said:

I can’t be the only one who thinks Cobb and Lynn are both bad ideas.  Both have had TJ, are on the wrong side of 30, and had arguably the worst years of their careers this year (besides 2016 for Cobb when he only started 5 games).  Lynn was probably a little unlucky on his HR/FB%, but he still posted career worst K and BB rates.  

Somehow that doesn't add up to $100MM for me.

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1 minute ago, Can_of_corn said:

While I agree with your overall point the bolded part isn't accurate.

Bell

Tejada

Texiara

Guerrero

 

Sorry, I should have been clearer.  I was talking about free agent pitchers.  You are correct, although I might quibble about Tex being like Mussina....we make an offer that we know is going to be exceeded by another team.  

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3 minutes ago, tntoriole said:

Sorry, I should have been clearer.  I was talking about free agent pitchers.  You are correct, although I might quibble about Tex being like Mussina....we make an offer that we know is going to be exceeded by another team.  

Could be, no way to tell.

Team was better off not signing him.

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Could be, no way to tell.

Team was better off not signing him.

"The Orioles reportedly offered a seven-year, $150 million contract for Teixeira, who had no interest taking a discount to play for a team that has not had a winning season since 1997. It was an easy call to take the richer offer (eight years, $180 million) from the Yankees.     NY Times   2009"  

It is true we were better off not signing him.  All the more reason for the old man to say no to this season's free agent buying.  

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1 minute ago, tntoriole said:

"The Orioles reportedly offered a seven-year, $150 million contract for Teixeira, who had no interest taking a discount to play for a team that has not had a winning season since 1997. It was an easy call to take the richer offer (eight years, $180 million) from the Yankees.     NY Times   2009"  

It is true we were better off not signing him.  All the more reason for the old man to say no to this season's free agent buying.  

I wasn't doubting they didn't have the highest offer, just that they could have misjudged the market.

You know, like they did when they drastically overpaid Davis

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