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Just now, Roy Firestone said:

WE BLEW THE SCHOOP TRADE. He was an outstanding talent.And young.We could've re-signed him too...now we won't.

Chances are he would/could have followed in Manny's footsteps (bet on himself after a down year) and tested free agency..

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2 minutes ago, Roy Firestone said:

WE BLEW THE SCHOOP TRADE. He was an outstanding talent.And young.We could've re-signed him too...now we won't.

The guy has a lower OBP than AVG this month...

I love Schoop, but he's not elite. He is going to start declining defensively at 2B due to how big he is and already isn't a great defender, although has a great arm. He doesn't talk whatsoever. I would have been happy to see him stay but this rebuild is gonna take a few years. His prime years would be wasted. 

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6 minutes ago, Roy Firestone said:

I think both are talented...I think Schoop is an elite talent. Or was. We no longer have him.

He had a ton of power and a great arm but really doesn't bring much else. I don't see him as a 2B long term due to alck of range, and he is not a good enough hitter for 1B. He hits massive home runs but is also prone to strikeouts and long slumps with low OBP. I just don't know what a realistic package would be that's better than what we got. It is pretty clear Hiura was not on the table.

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3 minutes ago, Roy Firestone said:

WE BLEW THE SCHOOP TRADE. He was an outstanding talent.And young.We could've re-signed him too...now we won't.

Why would we invest money in re-signing him during a rebuild?

Also, was there a better deal on the table?

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Giving this one a D.  IMO, should have held onto Schoop and tried to have extend him.  Should have identified him as a guy to help re-build around.

Villar, whatever.  Ortiz looks ok but Carmona is too far away and too young.  Would have liked a higher ranked player coming back.  

For the Brewers to get a guy who's got more than a year of team control left, I would have liked a better return.  

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I don't know much about Ortiz but prior to these trades our pitching depth in the minors was very thin.  He is reported to have 2 pitches graded as a 60 and an average 3rd pitch.  Hunter Harvey had looked very good prior to getting hurt but he wasn't lights out this year in Bowie.  Yes, I understand he hasn't pitched a lot (only 176 total innings in 6 yrs).  Now we have Harvey, Hall, Ortiz, Tate (all first round draft picks) along with Akin, Lowther, and Kremer.  How do you rate or project these 7 pitchers?

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I gave it a D. 

I would like someone to explain why Ortiz is considered a top prospect when he has a 3.77 ERA in his third season at AA.  I'm old enough to remember when we had a supposedly great pitching prospect named Chris Fussell in the late 1990s.  Everyone on the O's talked about how great his stuff was, but he never had great results in the minor leagues, and he never amounted to anything in the majors either.  At some point results matter.  If Ortiz' stuff is so great, why can't he dominate in his third season at AA?

Carmona is another case when the scouting reports say one thing and the numbers say another.  A good prospect shouldn't be hitting .236 in the Pioneer League.  

 

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2 minutes ago, weams said:

 

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“They never talked with my agent that I know of,” Schoop said. “They never asked for an extension, never asked to talk, that I know of. … They know what they’re doing. They know what’s good for them. Maybe they have something differently planned. They told me they want a rebuild. The one thing I know is to go out there and play baseball. The business side, I know nothing about it, so they know more than me.

“I can’t explain it. I’ve got to thank the fans, the Orioles fans, and I’ve got to thank [manager] Buck [Showalter] for giving me the chance to be a big leaguer. I’ve got to thank all of the coaching staff, especially [third base coach] Bobby [Dickerson], who helped me through my career in the minor leagues coming up and making me the player I am right now.”

 

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2 minutes ago, Roy Firestone said:

This stinks. They could've built the franchise around him and re-signed him next year.I think we will be an unwatchable team for another 5 years.

I wish he had not hit .205 with a .245 OBP for the first half of this season. 

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