2019 Rotation?

[Frobby]

3 minutes ago, webbrick2010 said:

I'm sure they will

ride it out with Bundy, ride it out with Beckham, ride it out Nunez, ride it out with .... Hell bring back Buck and DD, and Brady... keep riding it out.

 

I don’t understand why Núñez is on your list.   He’s not arbitration eligible.   Who would you replace him with?

I see Beckham as a close call, but Bundy isn’t unless the doctors think there’s some serious problem.   

[eddie83]

1 hour ago, webbrick2010 said:

Yep I'd non-tender him. He's another Matusz, the O's will try to argue he is useful out of the bullpen but he will be way overpaid to be a very mediocre reliever on a 100 loss team.

How much money was wasted year after year in arbitration to Matusz, to be a loogy who really only specialized in getting out David Ortiz.

Bundy  doesn't fit where the O's are.

He fits perfect. He is young, cheap and has upside.  

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, eddie83 said:

He fits perfect. He is young, cheap and has upside.  

And if rebounds he's trade bait.

[NCRaven]

The downside of OH.  Seeing posters that are knowledgeable and that I enjoy reading even when I disagree with them argue with a total troll.

[Tx Oriole]

1 hour ago, Frobby said:

I don’t understand why Núñez is on your list.   He’s not arbitration eligible.   Who would you replace him with?

I see Beckham as a close call, but Bundy isn’t unless the doctors think there’s some serious problem.   

Well I hope Buck doesn't come back.

[Tx Oriole]

4 hours ago, Frobby said:

I’d say there’s about a 75% chance he starts next year in the rotation.   He’s been miserable for several months, but has shown himself to be pretty decent in the past.    Hopefully a winter’s rest and a new pitching coach can fix whatever’s broken.    

Hope so.

[Can_of_corn]

1 hour ago, Frobby said:

So you’d non-tender him?   What do you think we’d owe him in arbitration after a season like this one?   My guess would be $2.75 mm.

You are low, Bundy is making 1.64M this season.  He's going to be over 3M.

[TonySoprano]

53 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

You are low, Bundy is making 1.64M this season.  He's going to be over 3M.

Tillman money.

[Frobby]

2 hours ago, Can_of_corn said:

You are low, Bundy is making 1.64M this season.  He's going to be over 3M.

 

1 hour ago, TonySoprano said:

Tillman money.

I think the closer analogy is Miguel Gonzalez after the 2015 season.   He was arbitration-eligible for the first time, after a poor season in which he went 9-12 with a 4.91 ERA.    He received $3.275 mm.   Differences from Bundy:

- Bundy was already earning $1.64 mm due to the structure of the deal he signed when he was drafted.

- Bundy’s season is looking considerably worse than Miggy’s.

- Miggy had an additional 105 days of service time.

- Miggy’s contributions prior to 2015 were much more significant than Bundy’s prior to 2018.    

Bundy’s season starting point obviously cuts in his favor, but everything else cuts against him.   And I don’t know how much his starting point should matter, since it had nothing to do with his past performance.  

[TonySoprano]

32 minutes ago, Frobby said:

 

I think the closer analogy is Miguel Gonzalez after the 2015 season.   He was arbitration-eligible for the first time, after a poor season in which he went 9-12 with a 4.91 ERA.    He received $3.275 mm.   Differences from Bundy:

- Bundy was already earning $1.64 mm due to the structure of the deal he signed when he was drafted.

- Bundy’s season is looking considerably worse than Miggy’s.

- Miggy had an additional 105 days of service time.

- Miggy’s contributions prior to 2015 were much more significant than Bundy’s prior to 2018.    

Bundy’s season starting point obviously cuts in his favor, but everything else cuts against him.   And I don’t know how much his starting point should matter, since it had nothing to do with his past performance.  

I hadn't planned on doing an analysis of what to expect in arbitration.  The comparison was merely because $3M was Tillman's salary, and also a reflection of the Tillman-like performance by Bundy since July (53 ER/54 IP, 8.33 ERA)

[webbrick2010]

4 hours ago, Frobby said:

I don’t understand why Núñez is on your list.   He’s not arbitration eligible.   Who would you replace him with?

I see Beckham as a close call, but Bundy isn’t unless the doctors think there’s some serious problem.    

I put Nunez on my  list because I think it is clear that he will never be a defensively adequate ML infielder, and sorry I'm frustrated to no end that the O's keep fielding teams that can't field. Enough is enough I don't need to see Nunez demonstrate anymore that he can't make basic throws to 1B.

[waroriole]

9 hours ago, jamalshw said:

I think John Means could be an option as well. I think we'll see Hess and either Means or Rogers at the start of the year. I'd like to see Akin and Ortiz in the Majors by season's end.

Maybe Brian Burress can round out the rotation 

[waroriole]

4 hours ago, NCRaven said:

The downside of OH.  Seeing posters that are knowledgeable and that I enjoy reading even when I disagree with them argue with a total troll.

Exactly. It’s not worth discussing because there’s no chance of it happening and it’s incredibly stupid. Are we completely ruling out bringing someone in through FA? Even if it’s an equivalent of what we have?