Do the O's even name a MVO this year?

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, TonySoprano said:

Exactly.  They'll give it to him as a going away present.   Book it.  They can't give it to ManNY because the rule is the player has to be present to receive the award.  Mancini should get it, but won't. 

I do agree that the award should be given to someone who has been below replacement level this season.

[Can_of_corn]

I think the main reason they released Gentry was so that he wouldn't win it.

[mdbdotcom]

Chris Davis, for setting the tone for the whole season and following through.

[El Gordo]

Don't know who the MVO is but the LVO is a no brainer.

[Santandah]

7 minutes ago, El Gordo said:

Don't know who the MVO is but the LVO is a no brainer.

is it, though? that's the scary part. 

[JR Oriole]

I guess if you go by the theory that the MVO should be the player who is most responsible for wherever the team ends up, then you have to go with Davis.  He has IMO contributed the most to our 42-105 record.  Put another way, if you stuck a player's face in the record book next to each season, he would be the face of the 2018 season. 

[TonySoprano]

21 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

I do agree that the award should be given to someone who has been below replacement level this season.

Well, according to Olbermann, that's Machado.

OPS+ - Jones 104, Mancini 97.   There isn't anyone close to being a  "replacement level" pitcher left in the rotation.  MVO carries slightly less weight than an Orioles HOF'er.  There are ceremonies for both every season, deserving or not.  Besides...

[DrungoHazewood]

By bb-ref's rWAR the team's best player who is still on the team (sort of) is Richard Bleier, at 1.6 WAR.  Among players on the active roster it's Villar at 1.6.

by fWAR, Fangraphs' flavor, the most valuable player who is still an Oriole is Mychal Givens, at 1.6.

I wonder, what is the modern record for lowest team-leading WAR total, among players still on the team at season's end?  The 43-win 2003 Tigers had Dmitri Young, worth 3.4 wins.  The '62 Mets had Roger Craig and Al Jackson at 3.0 rWAR, and Richie Ashburn and the other Frank Thomas over 2.0.  The 43-win 1915 A's had four players over 2.0 wins.  The 42-win '52 Pirates had a five and a four-win player.

The 1951 Browns didn't have a single position player over 1.2 WAR (Sherm Lollar) but had 5.6 win Ned Garver pitching.  He won 20 games for a 52-win team with absolutely no hitting.

Dave Bancroft was the only 1924 Brave to clear 1.0 win as a position player, but Jesse Barnes had a 5.3-win season on the mound.

Ah... here we go.  The 1915 Baltimore Terrapins, who went 47-107 in the Federal League before folding and ending up in a Supreme Court case.  Their best position player (by rWAR) was backup catcher Fred Jacklitsch at 1.3, and their best pitcher was one Rankin Johnson at 1.5.  They did have Jack Quinn (31 but would pitch about 15 more years in the majors and somebody should write a book about) who went 9-22, 3.45 but clocked in at just over 1.0 WAR.

So that's our goal: to try to have someone on the 2018 Orioles better than Rankin Johnson, a journeyman with 450 career innings mostly in a marginal third major league 113 years ago.  Mychal Givens will give it the ol' college try.

 

[bobmc]

1 hour ago, Santandah said:

Who should be named the Most Valuable Oriole for 2018?

I can't remember ever seeing a situation like this. In previous suck years, the Orioles always had at least someone who was worthy of being call the Most Valuable Oriole, be it Melvin Mora or Brian Roberts. There was always someone who at least had a moderately standout season.

This year's most valuable player is hands down Manny Machado, both statistically and more abstractly for what trading him meant for the team. (Regardless of what they got back, trading him marked the start of the sea change.) But they can't give the award to a guy no longer on the team.

Adam Jones on the other hand has had a league average season at the plate. Though he's shown no power. Was terrible in the field. And then made a me-first decision that the team sees as a detriment. (I support his right to not accept a trade, but it definitely pissed off the team.)

I guess one could make the case for Jonathan Villar. He's absolutely been the Orioles' best player since the trade. (And seems to fit the Mora mold. Baseball gods  help us if he is the best asset they ultimately get after the fire sale.) But has be been with the team long enough to get the award?

Outside of those three, who could it even be? Caleb Joseph?

Perhaps it'd be best to simply not give out the award at all.

Well written but "clown question",  bro.  

[DrungoHazewood]

The 1899 Cleveland Spiders had one pitcher who finished with positive rWAR: Harry Lochhead.  Who was actually their starting shortstop.  He pitched one game of mopup relief where he allowed two unearned runs in 3 and 2/3rds innings, good for 0.1 rWAR.  The 14 other pitchers who appeared in the Spiders' uniform in '99 were all below replacement.

The team's MVP was a virtual dead heat between catcher/utilty guy Ossee Schrecongost, who was transferred in mid-season to their sister team in St. Louis because he was playing well, and 38-year-old backup catcher Chief Zimmer (.342 in 20 games).  Both notched 1.0 rWAR.

[ScGO's]

Mike Wright, for finding a way to stay on the team the whole season.

[JR Oriole]

1 hour ago, ScGO's said:

Mike Wright, for finding a way to stay on the team the whole season.

This is outstanding.  He would have been outright released by any respectable organization in baseball.....but the Orioles....we LOVE HIM!  I had not looked at his career stats before now, but perhaps we value his tremendous consistency.  His season ERAs have been 6.04, 5.79, 5.76, and 5.79.  That is a hell of a narrow band. 

[spiritof66]

1 hour ago, DrungoHazewood said:

By bb-ref's rWAR the team's best player who is still on the team (sort of) is Richard Bleier, at 1.6 WAR.  Among players on the active roster it's Villar at 1.6.

by fWAR, Fangraphs' flavor, the most valuable player who is still an Oriole is Mychal Givens, at 1.6.

I wonder, what is the modern record for lowest team-leading WAR total, among players still on the team at season's end?  The 43-win 2003 Tigers had Dmitri Young, worth 3.4 wins.  The '62 Mets had Roger Craig and Al Jackson at 3.0 rWAR, and Richie Ashburn and the other Frank Thomas over 2.0.  The 43-win 1915 A's had four players over 2.0 wins.  The 42-win '52 Pirates had a five and a four-win player.

The 1951 Browns didn't have a single position player over 1.2 WAR (Sherm Lollar) but had 5.6 win Ned Garver pitching.  He won 20 games for a 52-win team with absolutely no hitting.

Dave Bancroft was the only 1924 Brave to clear 1.0 win as a position player, but Jesse Barnes had a 5.3-win season on the mound.

Ah... here we go.  The 1915 Baltimore Terrapins, who went 47-107 in the Federal League before folding and ending up in a Supreme Court case.  Their best position player (by rWAR) was backup catcher Fred Jacklitsch at 1.3, and their best pitcher was one Rankin Johnson at 1.5.  They did have Jack Quinn (31 but would pitch about 15 more years in the majors and somebody should write a book about) who went 9-22, 3.45 but clocked in at just over 1.0 WAR.

So that's our goal: to try to have someone on the 2018 Orioles better than Rankin Johnson, a journeyman with 450 career innings mostly in a marginal third major league 113 years ago.  Mychal Givens will give it the ol' college try.

 

For anyone interested in a little more about Quinn, without waiting for the book:

https://sabr.org/bioproj/person/cf88d73c

[OriolesMagic83]

I vote for Buck.  I still don't think he's come to terms with how bad this team is.  He bats Davis about every game in the 5th spot and stuck with Tillman way longer than he deserves.  He puts veterans over young players in almost every situation.  He's playing for every last win in a season that was over in early May.  He epitomizes this team better than any player.

[sportsfan8703]

Bundy, Mancini, or Jones.