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Many times over their tenure with the O's Dan and Buck expressed the strategy that building their offense around home runs was the right way to win with a home park of Camden Yards.  Looking back that startegy  seems to not have worked for them the way they planned.

2012,   2nd in homers in the AL but  9th in runs

2013,  1st in homers, 4th in runs

2014,  1st in homers, 6th in runs

2015, 3rd in homers, 7th in runs

2016,  1st in homers, 7th in runs

2017,  5th in homers,  8th in runs

2018, 9th in homers,  15th in runs

There are 5 playoff teams in the AL every year.  So the O's should plan to be at least 5th or better in runs.   That happened once  in the 7 years that Buck and Dan were together with the O's.   Maybe going forward the offensive strategy should be different.

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17 minutes ago, wildcard said:

Many times over their tenure with the O's Dan and Buck expressed the strategy that building their offense around home runs was the right way to win with a home park of Camden Yards.  Looking back that startegy  seems to not have worked for them the way they planned.

2012,   2nd in homers in the AL but  9th in runs

2013,  1st in homers, 4th in runs

2014,  1st in homers, 6th in runs

2015, 3rd in homers, 7th in runs

2016,  1st in homers, 7th in runs

2017,  5th in homers,  8th in runs

2018, 9th in homes,  15th in runs

There are 5 playoff teams in the AL every year.  So the O's should plan to be at least 5th or better in runs.   That happened once  in the 7 years that Buck and Dan were together with the O's.   Maybe going forward the offensive strategy should be different.

Lets slam Buck and DD, one more time, with one more thread.

If I remember right, the 3 run HR was a part of Oriole Magic, back before Oriole Magic, and the Earl of Weave time here.

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It worked for a few years. The elite power is what allowed them to have a respectable offense in 2012-2016 despite the bad OBP.

But then the fly ball revolution happened and the rest of the league caught up to us in the power department, all while we were trotting out the most of the same sluggers, just older. 

I think in a way we were a few years ahead of the curve on this one. But we didn't adapt or move on when things changed. 

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6 minutes ago, Redskins Rick said:

Lets slam Buck and DD, one more time, with one more thread.

If I remember right, the 3 run HR was a part of Oriole Magic, back before Oriole Magic, and the Earl of Weave time here.

I think it is time to look at what worked and what didn't during the last 7 years.   

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3 minutes ago, Spy Fox said:

It worked for a few years. The elite power is what allowed them to have a respectable offense in 2012-2016 despite the bad OBP.

But then the fly ball revolution happened and the rest of the league caught up to us in the power department, all while we were trotting out the most of the same sluggers, just older. 

I think in a way we were a few years ahead of the curve on this one. But we didn't adapt or move on when things changed. 

I can't agree.  Being somewhere between 6th and 9th in runs scored does not look like a successful offensive to me.  And the home run oriented offense didn't help the O's much in the playoffs either.

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6 minutes ago, Spy Fox said:

It worked for a few years. The elite power is what allowed them to have a respectable offense in 2012-2016 despite the bad OBP.

But then the fly ball revolution happened and the rest of the league caught up to us in the power department, all while we were trotting out the most of the same sluggers, just older. 

I think in a way we were a few years ahead of the curve on this one. But we didn't adapt or move on when things changed. 

Also they changed the balls which made HRs more plentiful and therefor less valuable.

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5 minutes ago, wildbillhiccup said:

It's an antiquated strategy. it's time to focus on pitching, speed and on base percentage. We need a team that has the ability to manufacture runs so we don't lose every time the bats go silent. 

Maybe you should call Peter Angelos up and explain how stupid it was for him to outbid himself for the Davis contract, instead of blaming somebody that didn't do it?

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3 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

https://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/BAL/2014.shtml

The difference between results and on the field of play.

Bundy and Gausman anchoring the front of the rotation.

Then picking up 2 of the top 5 FA starters, and a mess of young arms for #5 slot.

Yes, there was a lot of preseason pre-ST hope and hype that they would have solid pitching this season.

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11 minutes ago, Redskins Rick said:

Maybe you should call Peter Angelos up and explain how stupid it was for him to outbid himself for the Davis contract, instead of blaming somebody that didn't do it?

I would, but I'm pretty sure there's no cell phone service in hell. 

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