The Victor Victor Mesa/Sandy Gaston thread

[SteveA]

51 minutes ago, Santandah said:

Would prefer to trade Caleb and just run with Austin Wynns next year and give Sisco another chance, so to speak. That being said, they should only trade anyone if they know a deal is in place. The O's really aren't in a position to be giving players away for nothing. 

Caleb has zero trade value, given that he is arbitration eligible.   If a team really wants him they can wait for us to non-tender him in December.

[SteveA]

1 hour ago, Can_of_corn said:

I don't think the Marlins have room to add another 750K.

You could also take a chance and trade Sisco for the 200K in slot money and a player.

Just for the record I think that slot money can only be traded in exact multiples of 250K.

[Can_of_corn]

30 minutes ago, SteveA said:

Just for the record I think that slot money can only be traded in exact multiples of 250K.

You are incorrect.  If a team does not have a full 250K remaining they may trade what is left.

[Rene88]

2 hours ago, section18 said:

A web site out of Florida yesterday said Gaston is all but delivered to the Marlins.  He was offered a contract previously that was pulled but now they supposedly are interested in signing him again. Gaston publicly has said he wants to sign with them according to some writers down there. Please scroll down to the Alex Carver comments;

https://www.fishstripes.com/2018/10/12/17951576/marlins-2018-2019-offseason-roundtable-debate-victor-victor-mesa-free-agent-jt-realmuto-trade

Wow: what a miserably dark franchise at a pivotal time. Only hope is new ownership IMO. Geesh. 

[nate22]

2 hours ago, section18 said:

A web site out of Florida yesterday said Gaston is all but delivered to the Marlins.  He was offered a contract previously that was pulled but now they supposedly are interested in signing him again. Gaston publicly has said he wants to sign with them according to some writers down there. Please scroll down to the Alex Carver comments;

https://www.fishstripes.com/2018/10/12/17951576/marlins-2018-2019-offseason-roundtable-debate-victor-victor-mesa-free-agent-jt-realmuto-trade

I read the article. Seems like that writer's opinion. Some of the other writers seem to think adding all three would be difficult if the Marlins don't add more slot money. Anyway, I think if the O's really want one of the two (i'm guessing the Mesa brothers are a package), they should offer the entire amount to the Mesa brothers and see what MIA does in response.

[terphoopsfan]

Some of you should begin to realize that the O's are playing with confederate money. Stop wasting your time worrying if they have more money than everyone else, at this point it's not going to matter. They want to be in Miami, their Father wants them in Miami and that's all there is to it. If the offer from the O's was the best they would have signed. There's a reason Vic Jr. may sign next season instead of this year.

[Legend_Of_Joey]

5 minutes ago, terphoopsfan said:

Some of you should begin to realize that the O's are playing with confederate money. Stop wasting your time worrying if they have more money than everyone else, at this point it's not going to matter. They want to be in Miami, their Father wants them in Miami and that's all there is to it. If the offer from the O's was the best they would have signed. There's a reason Vic Jr. may sign next season instead of this year.

Vic Jr. is also an attention seeking diva. Just look at his recent poll on Twitter. The guy only cares about publicity.

Baltimore could trade all their money to Miami and he still wouldn't sign that day. He would keep playing it off.

[atomic]

10 hours ago, ScGO's said:

If the O's were going to trade for more slot money, what players do we have that would have enough value to get $250,000 to $750,000 back?  

Would someone like Richard Bleier bring back slot money?  I know he's hurt, but could he be traded in the same manner O'day was?

 Joey Rickard? Would other teams look at him as an MLB piece? Donnie Hart or Gilmartin?

 Maybe Trumbo if we eat some of the contract?

 Some of our 2nd Tier prospects? Like a Meisinger, Phillips, Dosch, Faulkner, Rafaela type?

 $250,000 for Mike Wright?, 

O'Day was traded with Gausman.  We don't have anyone left of Gausman's trade value left to trade with Bleier. BUt don't really understand your point as Bleier has some value to the Orioles and is not making much.

Trumbo has no trade value.  Zip.  

Wright has no trade value.

Rickard has no trade value. 

[Legend_Of_Joey]

1 hour ago, atomic said:

O'Day was traded with Gausman.  We don't have anyone left of Gausman's trade value left to trade with Bleier. BUt don't really understand your point as Bleier has some value to the Orioles and is not making much.

Trumbo has no trade value.  Zip.  

Wright has no trade value.

Rickard has no trade value. 

You're really saying Jack Zoellner has more International Money trade value than Trumbo, Wright, Rickard, or anyone else?

[atomic]

18 minutes ago, Legend_Of_Joey said:

You're really saying Jack Zoellner has more International Money trade value than Trumbo, Wright, Rickard, or anyone else?

I don't think Jack Zoellner has any International Slot money value either.  But I am sure that someone would give you money for him before Trumbo. 

[Legend_Of_Joey]

1 minute ago, atomic said:

I don't think Jack Zoellner has any International Slot money value either.  But I am sure that someone would give you money for him before Trumbo. 

I would disagree on that.

If a team isn't really interested in the International signing stuff, why hang onto the money? If you could get Trumbo for $250,000 or even $1 million when you weren't going to use it anyway, what does it really cost your team if he doesn't get back to his old self?

[atomic]

1 minute ago, Legend_Of_Joey said:

I would disagree on that.

If a team isn't really interested in the International signing stuff, why hang onto the money? If you could get Trumbo for $250,000 or even $1 million when you weren't going to use it anyway, what does it really cost your team if he doesn't get back to his old self?

You assume anyone wants Trumbo.  No one wants him. He is owed 14.5 million.  Even if the Orioles took on 10 million no one would want him.   He is bad at baseball.   

[Legend_Of_Joey]

1 minute ago, atomic said:

You assume anyone wants Trumbo.  No one wants him. He is owed 14.5 million.  Even if the Orioles took on 10 million no one would want him.   He is bad at baseball.   

I only said Trumbo because that is who you mentioned.

Same concept applies to anyone on the team.

[Can_of_corn]

6 minutes ago, Legend_Of_Joey said:

I would disagree on that.

If a team isn't really interested in the International signing stuff, why hang onto the money? If you could get Trumbo for $250,000 or even $1 million when you weren't going to use it anyway, what does it really cost your team if he doesn't get back to his old self?

A roster spot and his salary.

[atomic]

Just now, Legend_Of_Joey said:

I only said Trumbo because that is who you mentioned.

Same concept applies to anyone on the team.

I didn't mention him I was replying to someone who said we should trade Trumbo, Rickard, or Wright.  I said those guys have no value.  I guess you could get international signing money for Villar or Bundy.   I wouldn't trade them for it though.