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Which of the 2012-16 Orioles would you put in the Orioles HOF?

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Which of the 2012-16 Orioles should get into the Orioles HOF?  

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29 minutes ago, Frobby said:

Just saying I would put him on the list of candidates, not that I’d necessarily vote for him.    But when you look at post-Mussina starting pitchers, who has done better?

Bedard had comparable numbers plus we may not make the playoffs any of those years without him. 

But I agree that Chen is worthy of consideration, though I doubt I’d vote for him myself. 

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2 hours ago, Frobby said:

Just saying I would put him on the list of candidates, not that I’d necessarily vote for him.    But when you look at post-Mussina starting pitchers, who has done better?

You could have said the same thing about Dave Trembley and managers before Buck showed up.

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2 hours ago, weams said:

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I would vote for Tillman over Chen (which is why Tillman’s in the poll and Chen isn’t).    But you're cherry-picking your time period.   Overall Tillman was 74-60 with a 4.57 ERA with the O’s.   Worse winning percentage than Chen, worse ERA by a lot.    

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11 hours ago, Enjoy Terror said:

For me, Jones and Markakis were the only ones, and it was a function of longevity, impact, and how much I felt they were “Mr. Oriole”.

Hardy I was conflicted about because he’s my favorite Oriole. He was certainly here for awhile but I never felt that he was a fan favorite or carried the team or lead the clubhouse. Solid defender. Did a great deal of damage in a Brewers uniform (but that never stopped Frank I suppose).

Davis was well liked for a time, but his one trick pony act isn’t enough. I have similar feelings about Britton— impactful for one great season but overall an Oriole career full of disappointments (more true of Davis than Britton).

Then there’s Machado. An otherworldly ballplayer who I never felt was actually playing for the Orioles, but instead for himself. Never cared for the personality but his stats were appreciated. He’ll be a famous something or other this year but never a famous Oriole. (Also see: CC Sabathia, Indians).

The other four I don’t feel like I need to explain.

By your standard 75% of the players already in the Orioles hall of fame should be thrown out.

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9 hours ago, Frobby said:

I would vote for Tillman over Chen (which is why Tillman’s in the poll and Chen isn’t).    But you're cherry-picking your time period.   Overall Tillman was 74-60 with a 4.57 ERA with the O’s.   Worse winning percentage than Chen, worse ERA by a lot.    

I'm picking the time period when the Orioles were good. 

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23 minutes ago, weams said:

I'm picking the time period when the Orioles were good. 

Without question, Tillman was a big contributor to the good Orioles teams of 2012-16.    But I think you also need to consider how his bad pitching in 2009-11 and 2017-18 contributed to those teams being bad — especially in 2017, when the team might well have been .500+ if Tillman had been half-decent.    

Anyway, I’m not going to spend more time on this, since I’ve already said I’d pick Tillman over Chen.    But I do think you have to look at the whole picture before making that decision.   

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5 minutes ago, Frobby said:

Without question, Tillman was a big contributor to the good Orioles teams of 2012-16.    But I think you also need to consider how his bad pitching in 2009-11 and 2017-18 contributed to those teams being bad — especially in 2017, when the team might well have been .500+ if Tillman had been half-decent.    

Anyway, I’m not going to spend more time on this, since I’ve already said I’d pick Tillman over Chen.    But I do think you have to look at the whole picture before making that decision.   

No question. I did not vote for him. 

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1 hour ago, Frobby said:

Without question, Tillman was a big contributor to the good Orioles teams of 2012-16.    But I think you also need to consider how his bad pitching in 2009-11 and 2017-18 contributed to those teams being bad — especially in 2017, when the team might well have been .500+ if Tillman had been half-decent.    

Anyway, I’m not going to spend more time on this, since I’ve already said I’d pick Tillman over Chen.    But I do think you have to look at the whole picture before making that decision.   

The O's would not have been the playoff team they were without Tillman.  i voted for him.

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If Brian Roberts deserves to be in the Orioles HOF why doesn't Jonathan Schoop?  Roberts never played in a playoff game with the Orioles.  He was an All Star.  Jonathan played in the 2014 and 2016 playoff with the O's and he was a All-Star with the O's in 2017.

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10 minutes ago, wildcard said:

If Brian Roberts deserves to be in the Orioles HOF why doesn't Jonathan Schoop?  Roberts never played in a playoff game with the Orioles.  He was an All Star.  Jonathan played in the 2014 and 2016 playoff with the O's and he was a All-Star with the O's in 2017.

For me there is something to be said for amount of time on the team, Roberts over a decade and Schoop about half of that. That's why I wouldn't include a guy like Chen for example.

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18 minutes ago, wildcard said:

If Brian Roberts deserves to be in the Orioles HOF why doesn't Jonathan Schoop?  Roberts never played in a playoff game with the Orioles.  He was an All Star.  Jonathan played in the 2014 and 2016 playoff with the O's and he was a All-Star with the O's in 2017.

Roberts was Mr. Oriole and the only decent to above average player on the team for a long stretch of time (13 years), not to mention a fan favorite.

No offense to Schoop but he hasn’t had half the career Roberts had, and as far as I can tell, won’t do any more on this team.

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