Chris Davis since he broke his 0-fer streak

[TonySoprano]

2 hours ago, connja said:

Watching the Phillies, and think they have a Chris Davis situation in the making - potentially more expensive and much longer.

The only thing Davis and Harper have in common are their agent, Scott Boras.  In 12 years, Davis had a league average OPS (100+) only 5 times.   Even with his 109 this year,  Harper's 8 year career average is 137, a number Davis exceeded twice.

[Yachtsman]

A couple crisp hits tonight. Going up the middle is actually a good sign.

[DrungoHazewood]

6 hours ago, TonySoprano said:

The only thing Davis and Harper have in common are their agent, Scott Boras.  In 12 years, Davis had a league average OPS (100+) only 5 times.   Even with his 109 this year,  Harper's 8 year career average is 137, a number Davis exceeded twice.

They also both have what's sometimes called "old players skills" and there's some truth to the idea that those players age worse than players with young players skills.  Old players skills: power, walks, lower batting averages, lack of speed, lack of defensive value.  Young: fast, plays key position well, line drive power, higher averages, plate discipline maybe a bit lacking.  The "young" players can add power, add walks, slide down the defensive spectrum, lose a bit of average and still be productive.  If an "old" player loses 25 points of batting average and a couple steps in the field he's a DH hitting .220 and has to hit 38 homers and walk 110 times to clear two wins.

Obviously there are large ranges in broad categories, and Harper is currently far better than Davis.

[atomic]

6 hours ago, TonySoprano said:

The only thing Davis and Harper have in common are their agent, Scott Boras.  In 12 years, Davis had a league average OPS (100+) only 5 times.   Even with his 109 this year,  Harper's 8 year career average is 137, a number Davis exceeded twice.

3 of the past 4 seasons he has hit in the .240s.  He leads the league in strikes outs. He seems to be a 1 WAR a season player.  

[OsFanSinceThe80s]

37 minutes ago, DrungoHazewood said:

They also both have what's sometimes called "old players skills" and there's some truth to the idea that those players age worse than players with young players skills.  Old players skills: power, walks, lower batting averages, lack of speed, lack of defensive value.  Young: fast, plays key position well, line drive power, higher averages, plate discipline maybe a bit lacking.  The "young" players can add power, add walks, slide down the defensive spectrum, lose a bit of average and still be productive.  If an "old" player loses 25 points of batting average and a couple steps in the field he's a DH hitting .220 and has to hit 38 homers and walk 110 times to clear two wins.

Obviously there are large ranges in broad categories, and Harper is currently far better than Davis.

What will be interesting is what does Harper look like at his age 33 season where Davis is today. He should (will) be better, but if he is middling with a .730 OPS the fans in Philadelphia are not going to be happy. 

I doubt they are happy now with his performance. Harper wanted the long term deal and to put up with playing in Philly so that’s on him.

[Il BuonO]

On 6/18/2019 at 6:40 PM, atomic said:

Arrieta has great stuff but couldn’t handle,presssure situations.  Once Davis is cut he won’t play another game in the big leagues.  There is no place in baseball for first basemen with .500 OPS,

Yeah, the playoff success he’s had proves it.

[UpstateNYfan]

On 6/18/2019 at 7:40 PM, atomic said:

Arrieta has great stuff but couldn’t handle,presssure situations.  Once Davis is cut he won’t play another game in the big leagues.  There is no place in baseball for first basemen with .500 OPS,

I believe BS screwed up Arrieta with his obsession with TTP. I also thought Weiters did little to help his pitcher(s) when they went off track. Arrietta would get up 0-2, 1-2 and just lose it, walking batters. Weiters would just sit behind the plate and seemingly did nothing to get his head back. 

[atomic]

1 hour ago, Il BuonO said:

Yeah, the playoff success he’s had proves it.

I don’t remember him pitching in the playoffs with the Orioles,

[Il BuonO]

24 minutes ago, atomic said:

I don’t remember him pitching in the playoffs with the Orioles,

Probably less confusing if you don’t use present and past tense in the the same sentence.

[thezeroes]

4 hours ago, UpstateNYfan said:

I believe BS screwed up Arrieta with his obsession with TTP.

Buck's TTP and Jake's walk rate went hand in hand. (4 per nine)

[maybenxtyr]

3 hours ago, atomic said:

I don’t remember him pitching in the playoffs with the Orioles,

You should probably look at the box score for the 2015 WC game. 

[atomic]

2 hours ago, maybenxtyr said:

You should probably look at the box score for the 2015 WC game. 

Yeah that wasn’t the Orioles.  He evidently overcame his issues after leaving the team.