Heck. It really DOES rise.

[weams]

Illusion debunked.

 

 

[Frobby]

I’m no expert on the effects of spin on a pitch, but even without that a lot depends on the release point of the pitcher and the angle at which the pitch is thrown.    

[weams]

12 minutes ago, Frobby said:

I’m no expert on the effects of spin on a pitch, but even without that a lot depends on the release point of the pitcher and the angle at which the pitch is thrown.    

I think that is exact what this has shown.

[DrungoHazewood]

Appears to rise.  Still not rising in reality.

[VaBird1]

I saw Daniel Cabrera thrown a ton of rising fastballs.  Some of them went half way up the screen.

[tntoriole]

Baseball pitches cannot rise...if you mean by rise, a sudden change upward in trajectory on the way to the plate.  What happens is an optical illusion..the batter or observer sees a mental calculation of where they expect the pitch to be as it leaves the hand of the pitcher.  But when that mental calculation is off, then the ball appears to arrive suddenly or”jump” or rise because the mind thought it was going to be one place and suddenly it appears someplace else,

[Can_of_corn]

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/introducing-the-submarine-riseball/

Fangraphs talks to O'Day and others.

[Sessh]

Submariners are different. Throwing the ball from a low arm slot up in the zone will certainly rise. The myth is more about creating a rise ball from spin which is not possible since the elevation generated must exceed the weight of the ball and it can only account for about half. Obviously, if you throw a ball from a low point to a high point, the ball is rising on the way there.

[Can_of_corn]

Just now, Sessh said:

Submariners are different. Throwing the ball from a low arm slot up in the zone will certainly rise. The myth is more about creating a rise ball from spin which is not possible since the elevation generated must exceed the weight of the ball and it can only account for about half. Obviously, if you throw a ball from a low point to a high point, the ball is rising on the way there.

It's a legal pitch.

The fangraphs article seemed relevant to the discussion at hand.

 

[Sessh]

5 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

It's a legal pitch.

The fangraphs article seemed relevant to the discussion at hand.

Yes I read it. Been awhile since I heard Byung-hyun Kim's name. Mythbusters actually did something on the rising fastball years ago, but it makes sense that submariners would be more likely to pull it off than someone using a more traditional arm slot like Clemens.

[Morgan423]

6 hours ago, VaBird1 said:

I saw Daniel Cabrera thrown a ton of rising fastballs.  Some of them went half way up the screen.

Some of them never fell and are still orbiting Earth today.

[AceKing]

7 hours ago, VaBird1 said:

I saw Daniel Cabrera thrown a ton of rising fastballs.  Some of them went half way up the screen.

 

1 hour ago, Morgan423 said:

Some of them never fell and are still orbiting Earth today.

Beat me to it