Waiving/non-tendering Villar: pro or con?

[sportsfan8703]

Everyone wanted the young, numbers driven GM, now we have him, and people are acting like they’d rather have a guy in a sweater vest telling them warm a fuzzy stories. 

[7Mo]

1 minute ago, Roll Tide said:

If they get nothing and let him walk you hold the GM accountable.

i just don’t blindly buy that he could get nothing of value. 
 

you can if you’d like but I’m not!

 

Why wouldn't he take value?

Is it more believable that Elias turned down value? Or that he wasn't offered value?

[interloper]

18 hours ago, Tony-OH said:

This is an awful descion by the Orioles. They already have a low payroll and now they are DFAing one their best players because his Arbitration number? This is a middle finger to their fans. We all understand this is a rebuild, but you dont just release players who are good. This is an awful competitive and fan move. It's actually quite embarrassing to do this as well as you just made yourself the laughing stock of baseball.

This is a major warning sign that Elias is not being given the money to put out even a respectable product. If they had traded him I would have gotten the move, but to just DFA him after the year he had is embarrassing. Its embarrasing to baseball and slap on the face to their fans, even the ones who understand they are in a rebuild. 

I have been completely onboarding with what Elias has been doing with this rebuild until this move. I'm now embarrassed as a fan and can give no reasonable excuse for this move as a person who has covered this team for 24 years.

I would say let's wait to pass judgement. I think he's as good as traded.

[weams]

25 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:

He had to beg a manager to take the mlb job.

That is untrue. 

[Tx Oriole]

18 hours ago, Tony-OH said:

I wouldn't put anything out of the question at this point. How can you trust an organization to do the right thing when they do something like this?

I can’t.

[weams]

11 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:

If they get nothing and let him walk you hold the GM accountable.

i just don’t blindly buy that he could get nothing of value. 
 

you can if you’d like but I’m not!

 

I understand that you are just so mad. Elias would have taken anything of value if offered to him And you know that.

[weams]

13 minutes ago, 7Mo said:

Why wouldn't he take value?

Is it more believable that Elias turned down value? Or that he wasn't offered value?

I think what makes folks most mad is that the Orioles choose to not own Villar for 2020 for 10.5 million.  For fan fun. No one actually thinks this team will win any. 

The Orioles would offer 6. Max. Agent will go for 9.8. Agent wins. 

[Roll Tide]

11 minutes ago, 7Mo said:

Why wouldn't he take value?

Is it more believable that Elias turned down value? Or that he wasn't offered value?

He passed on whatever he could’ve gotten at the deadline hoping for better in the offseason. If one team or no teams claim him we get nothing.

So whatever he passes in at the deadline will be more than we got.

Not letting him play here over 3 million dollars stinks. It’s an insult to their paying customers who they still want to buy tickets. 
 

it’s just cheap , stupid, or a combo of both

[7Mo]

1 minute ago, weams said:

I think what makes folks most mad is that the ORioles choose to not own Villar for 2020 for 10/5 million.  For fan fun. No one actually thinks this team will win any. 

I get that. It's fair to argue if it's good business for the O's to say no at $10.4M to keep Villar.

But I don't think it's reasonable to say a guy is incompetent, a buffoon, an idiot, etc because he didn't trade him when we have no idea what offers, if any, were made. 

[weams]

28 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:

That doesn’t mean moves weren’t there to be made! 
 

He did nothing at the deadline, nothing last off-season other than McPhail people off the scrap heap and nothing besides dumping our best player to save 3 million 

WHo says there was a deal? Who?

[NCRaven]

17 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:

Everyone wanted the young, numbers driven GM, now we have him, and people are acting like they’d rather have a guy in a sweater vest telling them warm a fuzzy stories. 

Phony straw man argument.  You can have an analytically driven front office that doesn’t throw away an asset to save pennies on the dollar.

[7Mo]

1 minute ago, Roll Tide said:

He passed on whatever he could’ve gotten at the deadline hoping for better in the offseason. If one team or no teams claim him we get nothing.

So whatever he passes in at the deadline will be more than we got.

Not letting him play here over 3 million dollars stinks. It’s an insult to their paying customers who they still want to buy tickets. 
 

it’s just cheap , stupid, or a combo of both

Ok, what was he offered?

The clearest language I've been able to find is "they engaged with the Cubs". 

[Roll Tide]

6 minutes ago, weams said:

I understand that you are just so mad. Elias would have taken anything of value if offered to him And you know that.

Not according to the Roch articles around the deadline. To say he wasn’t offered anything of value is highly unlikely. He gambled he could get more now which is obviously wrong. 

 

[weams]

Just now, 7Mo said:

I get that. It's fair to argue if it's good business for the O's to say no at $10.4M to keep Villar.

But I don't think it's reasonable to say a guy is incompetent, a buffoon, an idiot, etc because he didn't trade him when we have no idea what offers, if any, were made. 

And it is also ok to say that there was no need to make a deal that offers money back, gets a bad contract, or gives up international slot. And most likely those were the only scenarios offered. 

[Roll Tide]

1 minute ago, weams said:

WHo says there was a deal? Who?

Roch said there were deals on the table that Elias didn’t like .... go back and look.

There was certainly value that is greater than Zilch