Jump to content

What is Frederick going to do with 21 pitchers?

wildcard

By wildcard
in Minors

 Share

Recommended Posts

  • Replies 30
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

Popular Days

Top Posters In This Topic

Popular Days

Popular Posts

Luke-OH
Luke-OH

Here's my thoughts as of right now. Obviously who is brought in on a MiLB deal will affect things. If Akin makes the big club, which is a real possibility, then move Ortiz to AAA. Lots of piggybacking

Luke-OH
Luke-OH

No, I also think if you aren’t ready to put Lebron in AA at 26 years old, he probably doesn’t have a spot in the organization.

Legend_Of_Joey
Legend_Of_Joey

Pretty sure worrying about having 21 pitchers in A+ in December is on the list of "we need more things to talk about."

wildcard Hangout Grand Counsel

wildcard

Posted
  • Author
Posted
2 hours ago, Enjoy Terror said:

It would seem pretty obvious to me that there won’t be 21 pitchers at Frederick. I don’t know where that number comes from but the roster is far smaller than that.

Please read the OP.   They are all named there.  And, of course there will not be 21 pitchers on the Keys to open the season.   But the O's are going to have to figure what to do this them.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Legend_Of_Joey Hangout Grand Counsel

Legend_Of_Joey

Posted
Posted
1 hour ago, wildcard said:

Please read the OP.   They are all named there.  And, of course there will not be 21 pitchers on the Keys to open the season.   But the O's are going to have to figure what to do this them.

And they have until the first game of the MiLB season to figure it out. Some guys will be hurt, some released, some retire. Worrying about 21 pitchers on a minor league roster right now, when no roster is set at all (Norfolk has, what, 10 players on it?) is an exercise in futility, especially at lower levels.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
wildcard Hangout Grand Counsel

wildcard

Posted
  • Author
Posted
23 minutes ago, Legend_Of_Joey said:

And they have until the first game of the MiLB season to figure it out. Some guys will be hurt, some released, some retire. Worrying about 21 pitchers on a minor league roster right now, when no roster is set at all (Norfolk has, what, 10 players on it?) is an exercise in futility, especially at lower levels.

I don't think its something to worry about.  But I think its worth noting.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Enjoy Terror Hangout Grand Counsel

Enjoy Terror

Posted
Posted
5 hours ago, wildcard said:

Please read the OP.   They are all named there.  And, of course there will not be 21 pitchers on the Keys to open the season.   But the O's are going to have to figure what to do this them.

I read OP, but you just named 21 random pitchers.

http://m.milb.com/t493/roster

Theres only 14 pitchers at Frederick. So again, I don’t know where this 21 number came from.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
wildcard Hangout Grand Counsel

wildcard

Posted
  • Author
Posted
2 hours ago, Enjoy Terror said:

I read OP, but you just named 21 random pitchers.

http://m.milb.com/t493/roster

Theres only 14 pitchers at Frederick. So again, I don’t know where this 21 number came from.

1) Pitchers that were in Frederick last season but did not do well enough to be promoted.

2) Pitchers that were in Delmarva last season that deserve a promotion.

3) Pitchers that were acquired this off season that are likely to start the season in Frederick

Link to comment
Share on other sites
wildcard Hangout Grand Counsel

wildcard

Posted
  • Author
Posted
2 hours ago, Enjoy Terror said:

What about pitchers that did well enough for a promotion? Pitchers that aren’t going to be with the club?

They will be with the Baysox.   Here is who I have at Bowie

McCoy SS

Yahn 3B

Jarrett LF

Ripken 1B

Billingsley  CF

Clare SS

Valentin  3B

McKenna CF

Nichting RF

Palmiero 2B

Cervenka  C

Canelo SS

Mora SS

Reyes 3B

Santiago 2B

 

 

Starters

DL Hall

Sedlock

 

Relievers

Perez

Bruke

Brian Gonzalez

Klimek

Love

Kipper

Luis Gonzalez

Diplan

Some of the pitchers that don't make the AAA staff will be sent to Bowie.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
wildcard Hangout Grand Counsel

wildcard

Posted
  • Author
Posted
57 minutes ago, RZNJ said:

I haven't looked at it as much as in past years but you only list two current starters at Bowie which increases the chances of pitchers like Bradish, Hanifee, and Bishop getting bumped up there.

You are probably right.   Or since the AAA rotation is full maybe the minor league AAAA pitchers that Elias brings in will be in the Bowie rotation for depth and be on the Bowie to Baltimore shuttle until the O's prospects of ready.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Luke-OH Hangout Grand Counsel

Luke-OH

Posted
Posted

Here's my thoughts as of right now. Obviously who is brought in on a MiLB deal will affect things. If Akin makes the big club, which is a real possibility, then move Ortiz to AAA. Lots of piggybacking at the low levels and 6 man rotations. If they'd prefer 5 man rotations in the upper minors, then you could piggyback more. 

Norfolk   Bowie   Frederick   Delmarva    
Akin   Hall   Rodriguez   Conroy    
Kremer   Bradish   Fenter Wilson Peek    
Zimmermann   Sedlock   Rom   McLarty    
Lowther   Hanifee Peralta Knight Vespi Hammer Roth  
Baumann   Ortiz   Leo Rod   Gillispie Lucas  
Wells   Lebron Bishop Stauffer Magee Litscher Zebron(maybe)  
                 
                 
                 
     
Prizina, Elliot, Farmer, Lyons, Hammonds, and Guance as fill in types for Frederick/Delmarva
         
     
Herb and whatever MiLB FAs as fill in types for Bowie/Norfolk
         
  • Upvote 2
  • Thanks 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
wildcard Hangout Grand Counsel

wildcard

Posted
  • Author
Posted
7 hours ago, Luke-OH said:

Here's my thoughts as of right now. Obviously who is brought in on a MiLB deal will affect things. If Akin makes the big club, which is a real possibility, then move Ortiz to AAA. Lots of piggybacking at the low levels and 6 man rotations. If they'd prefer 5 man rotations in the upper minors, then you could piggyback more. 

 

Norfolk   Bowie   Frederick   Delmarva    
Akin   Hall   Rodriguez   Conroy    
Kremer   Bradish   Fenter Wilson Peek    
Zimmermann   Sedlock   Rom   McLarty    
Lowther   Hanifee   Knight Vespi Hammer Roth  
Baumann   Ortiz Magee Leo Rod   Gillispie Lucas  
Wells   Lebron Bishop Stauffer Peralta Litscher Zebron(maybe)  
                 
                 
                 
     
Prizina, Elliot, Farmer, Lyons, Hammonds, and Guance as fill in types for Frederick/Delmarva
         
     
Herb and whatever MiLB FAs as fill in types for Bowie/Norfolk
         

Interesting.  Why would Magee skip Delmarva and Frederick?  That doesn't sound like Elias to me.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Luke-OH Hangout Grand Counsel

Luke-OH

Posted
Posted
1 hour ago, wildcard said:

Interesting.  Why would Magee skip Delmarva and Frederick?  That doesn't sound like Elias to me.

My mistake on Magee, I meant Frederick, not Bowie. And why skip Delmarva? Because he's going to be 24, he was dominant in A-, and he isn't much of a prospect. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
wildcard Hangout Grand Counsel

wildcard

Posted
  • Author
Posted
26 minutes ago, Luke-OH said:

My mistake on Magee, I meant Frederick, not Bowie. And why skip Delmarva? Because he's going to be 24, he was dominant in A-, and he isn't much of a prospect. 

JMO but I think Elias is more likely to have Magee begin the season at Delmarva and move him up fast if he does well.   After that if he does well at Frederick he could finish the season at Bowie. 

I think Elias likes a prospect to hit all the levels and he is willing to move guys up in season if they are   doing well.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
LookinUp Hangout Grand Counsel

LookinUp

Posted
Posted
On 12/22/2019 at 12:36 PM, Legend_Of_Joey said:

Pretty sure worrying about having 21 pitchers in A+ in December is on the list of "we need more things to talk about."

I remember listening to Philly sports talk once before NFL training camp. There was a spirited debate over who was the Eagles 3rd fullback. 

These things have a way of working themselves out.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

×
 Share
Go to topic listing


  • Posts

    • EddeeEddee
      Elias taking accountability

      By EddeeEddee · Posted

      Great post.  I like your optimism, and I'll try to believe this team can turn things around just in the nick of time like some classic Hollywood baseball movie.
    • EddeeEddee
      Hyde Hot Seat

      By EddeeEddee · Posted

      I think Elias has mostly done an excellent job with one exception -- he seems like he treats the bullpen like an afterthought.  I doubt that will happen again this coming offseason. I don't really blame him for the current offensive struggles overall.  Just too many injuries late in the season.  That said I don't understand how we went from dealing Austin Hays, Connor Norby and Ryan McKenna just so we could land the right handed bat of, gulp, Austin Slater.  
    • Baseball fandom
      Elias taking accountability

      By Baseball fandom · Posted

      Man this team has no shot. Right now they may not even make it. 
    • EddeeEddee
      The New Guys

      By EddeeEddee · Posted

      Most of these guys are only playing because of injuries to starters.  But Austin Slater I'm guessing was brought in to replace the traded Austin Hays.  The problem is that Slater has shown little ability to hit lefties this year, after hitting them pretty well up to this season.  This must be why two teams dropped him before the O's picked him up.  I know he was let go much earlier in the season, but is Ryan McKenna actually worse than this guy?  I don't understand how the front office went from releasing McKenna to later trading Hays and Norby -- thinking their right handed bats could adequately be replaced by someone like Slater.  
    • Baseball fandom
      Hyde Hot Seat

      By Baseball fandom · Posted

      I'm willing to give Elias some rope because of the strict limitations he was under with JA but he better not be so damn conservative again this year and let every serviceable FA out there sign with other teams while he's busy picking up reclamation projects again. Minus Burns of course.  
    • e16bball
      Hyde Hot Seat

      By e16bball · Posted

      I agree completely that it’s irrelevant whether it worked.  But I don’t agree that bunting is clearly the right decision in either scenario, and I think that decision gets worse if it’s intended to be a straight sacrifice rather than a bunt for a hit. To be clear, the outcome you’re seeking in tonight’s situation, for example — sacrifice the runners over to 2nd/3rd — lowers both your run expectancy for the inning (from 1.44 to 1.39) and your win expectancy for the game (from 38.8% to 37.1%). It increases the likelihood of scoring one run, but it decreases the likelihood of scoring two runs (which you needed to tie) and certainly of scoring three or more runs (which you needed to take the lead).  And that’s if you succeed in getting them to 2nd/3rd. Research indicates that 15-30% of sacrifice bunt attempts fail, so you have to bake in a pretty significant percentage of the time that you’d just be giving up a free out (or even just two free strikes, as on Sunday). The bunt attempt in the 3rd inning on Sunday (which my gut hates more than if they’d done it today) actually is less damaging to the win probability — decreasing it only very slightly from 60.2% to 59.8%. More time left in the game to make up for giving up outs, I guess, and the scoreboard payoff is a bit better (in the sense that at least you’d have a better chance to take the lead).   At the bottom of it, these things mostly come down to gut and pure chance. The percentages are rarely overwhelming in either direction, and so sometimes even a “lower-percentage” play may work better under some circumstances. You would have bunted both times. I wouldn’t have bunted either time. Hyde bunted one time but not the other. I don’t know that anyone is an idiot (or even clearly “wrong”) for their preference. Either approach could have worked. Sadly, none of them actually did.
    • Baseball fandom
      Hyde Hot Seat

      By Baseball fandom · Posted

      Wasn't Hyde always thought of more or less as a caretaker? I'm on the fence about him coming back. I totally get the injuries and that needs to be taking into consideration but man this collapse some heads have to roll who's I'm  mot sure 

  • Popular Contributors

×
×
  • Create New...