Prospects from Mike Elias Trades

[UMDTerrapins]

Thought it would be a good idea to split out the prospects that Elias traded for, because we are seeing many of those guys play actual games for the organization for the first time. Like opening Christmas presents a year after putting them under the tree. And the early returns on those Elias deals are pretty promising in my opinion. During our rebuild, Duquette made a lot of the noteworthy trades (Machado, Britton, Gausman, O'Day, Schoop). Those deals brought back Diaz, Kremer, Pop, Zimmerman, Tate, Bannon and others. While it's still too early to cast a final verdict on those moves, it is worth noting that the fillers in the Duquette deals tended to be more experienced than the fillers in the Elias deals. Many of the guys in the Elias deals were too young/green to assign to A-ball to start 2021 (Jean Pinto, Victor Gonzalez, Isaac De Leon, Mishael Deson, Miguel Padilla, Elio Prado, Noelberth Romero). And several have not played due to injury (Greg Cullen, Conner Loeprich).

But putting those guys aside for the time being, here are some of the names that Elias has brought into the organization by trade by dealing Bundy, Castro, Givens, Cobb, Iglesias, Millone, Bleier, Villar, Cashner, Ramirez, and $. 

Adam Plutko - 1.27 ERA - Orioles

Kyle Bradish - 0.00 ERA - AA

Kevin Smith - 2.16 ERA - AA

Garrett Stallings - 0.90 ERA - A+

Kyle Brnovich - 0.84 ERA - A+

Isaac Mattson - 13.50 ERA - Orioles

Zach Peek - 5.63 ERA - A

Easton Lucas - 0.00 ERA - A+

Xavier Moore - 4.50 ERA - A

Terrin Vavra - 1.213 OPS - AA

Jahmai Jones - .924 - AAA

Patrick Dorrian - 1.513 OPS - AA

Tyler Nevin - .664 OPS - AAA

AJ Graffanino - .715 - A+

I think it will be interesting to compare the careers of the players who came to the Orioles by trade during the rebuild under the two GMs. At least at this point, I'm much more excited by the Elias list. 

 

[Sports Guy]

Stallings ERA almost 6 after he got rocked today.

[sportsfan8703]

Bump.  Nevin and Mattson have made their MLB debuts. I also didn’t realize how many players Elias had traded for that were too young to be on a full roster.   

[LTO's]

Jean Pinto has been promoted from the FCL to Delmarva after posting 1.80 ERA, 0.75 WHIP, and a 28/4 K/BB mark in the FCL this season. Part of the Iglesias trade.

[jamalshw]

The updated numbers are far less impressive than they were early on. 

 

Adam Plutko – 4.69 ERA – Orioles 

Kyle Bradish - 0.00 ERA in three AA starts, but 5.75 ERA in 10 AAA starts

Kevin Smith - 1.04 ERA in 26 AA innings, 5.00 ERA in 5 AAA starts

Garrett Stallings – 4.43 ERA in 13 games (12 starts) at A+

Kyle Brnovich – 2.36 ERA in 8 starts at A+, 3.18 ERA in 17 AA innings

Isaac Mattson – 4.50 ERA in 2 innings with Orioles, 8.71 in 10.1 in Norfolk

Zach Peek – 4.37 ERA in 45.1 innings (9 starts) at Delmarva

Easton Lucas – 5.91 ERA in 21.1 innings at A+

Xavier Moore – 2.89 ERA in 18.2 innings in Delmarva, 10.57 ERA in 7.2 innings in Aberdeen

Terrin Vavra - .860 OPS in 30 games at AA, but injured for quite a while

Jahmai Jones - .877 in 41 games at AAA

Patrick Dorrian - .837 OPS in 64 games at AA

Tyler Nevin - .755 OPS in 56 games at AAA and a brief cup of coffee in the Majors

AJ Graffanino - .543 OPS in 43 games at A+

[sportsfan8703]

On 7/22/2021 at 2:23 PM, jamalshw said:

The updated numbers are far less impressive than they were early on. 

 

Adam Plutko – 4.69 ERA – Orioles 

Kyle Bradish - 0.00 ERA in three AA starts, but 5.75 ERA in 10 AAA starts

Kevin Smith - 1.04 ERA in 26 AA innings, 5.00 ERA in 5 AAA starts

Garrett Stallings – 4.43 ERA in 13 games (12 starts) at A+

Kyle Brnovich – 2.36 ERA in 8 starts at A+, 3.18 ERA in 17 AA innings

Isaac Mattson – 4.50 ERA in 2 innings with Orioles, 8.71 in 10.1 in Norfolk

Zach Peek – 4.37 ERA in 45.1 innings (9 starts) at Delmarva

Easton Lucas – 5.91 ERA in 21.1 innings at A+

Xavier Moore – 2.89 ERA in 18.2 innings in Delmarva, 10.57 ERA in 7.2 innings in Aberdeen

Terrin Vavra - .860 OPS in 30 games at AA, but injured for quite a while

Jahmai Jones - .877 in 41 games at AAA

Patrick Dorrian - .837 OPS in 64 games at AA

Tyler Nevin - .755 OPS in 56 games at AAA and a brief cup of coffee in the Majors

AJ Graffanino - .543 OPS in 43 games at A+

It’s too late but we should add the DSL players that Elias has picked up over the years. He essentially put together an additional international signing class. 

[OriolesMagic83]

On 7/22/2021 at 2:23 PM, jamalshw said:

The updated numbers are far less impressive than they were early on. 

 

Adam Plutko – 4.69 ERA – Orioles 

Kyle Bradish - 0.00 ERA in three AA starts, but 5.75 ERA in 10 AAA starts

Kevin Smith - 1.04 ERA in 26 AA innings, 5.00 ERA in 5 AAA starts

Garrett Stallings – 4.43 ERA in 13 games (12 starts) at A+

Kyle Brnovich – 2.36 ERA in 8 starts at A+, 3.18 ERA in 17 AA innings

Isaac Mattson – 4.50 ERA in 2 innings with Orioles, 8.71 in 10.1 in Norfolk

Zach Peek – 4.37 ERA in 45.1 innings (9 starts) at Delmarva

Easton Lucas – 5.91 ERA in 21.1 innings at A+

Xavier Moore – 2.89 ERA in 18.2 innings in Delmarva, 10.57 ERA in 7.2 innings in Aberdeen

Terrin Vavra - .860 OPS in 30 games at AA, but injured for quite a while

Jahmai Jones - .877 in 41 games at AAA

Patrick Dorrian - .837 OPS in 64 games at AA

Tyler Nevin - .755 OPS in 56 games at AAA and a brief cup of coffee in the Majors

AJ Graffanino - .543 OPS in 43 games at A+

An impressive list of talent, especially compared to what Duquette got for trading much better overall group of players.  Elias or probably someone in the O's farm system seems to have an eye for pitching.  It will be interesting to see these guys develop. 

[HowAboutThat]

I wanted to comment on Mike’s seeming philosophy about acquiring/losing players:

Until Rubenstein, Mike was operating under Angelos’ restraints, but it seems that little has changed aside from the Os rise to serious contender.

Mike seems reluctant to make a serious expenditure for a “Sure Thing,” preferring instead to seek WAR in unexpected places. Sometimes it works, and the list of unknowns who contributed is gratifyingly long.

Look at that list above and marvel at the offal we had. Mike worked miracles and no doubt.

The problem is that usually a guy has mediocre stats because he’s mediocre, and now we have a perfect storm of guys who briefly excelled and are now all at once back to being drudges, which reveals how fragile such a strategy is.

Everybody in the pitching category: every single guy in the bullpen is undependable, and the two prospect pitchers we’ve thrown into the fray have been lousy( but of course, SSS)

Unless Mike is willing to acquire proven solid players, and pay for them from his stash of prospect coin, we will  have this constant worry of diamonds in the rough returning to the rough.

(Burnes was a great acquisition, but was affordable because he only has one year left. If he had two, Mike would probably not have paid the additional price.)

The waiver wire magic is really good, and Mike has done extremely well, but by itself won’t allow prolonged excellence.  
 

It is relatively easy to go from Terrible to Mediocre to Good, and we’ve done that.

But to go from good to Elite, and sustain it is incredibly hard, and if Mike doesn’t start paying for real players, it won’t happen.

Edited July 25 by HowAboutThat

[Aristotelian]

20 minutes ago, HowAboutThat said:

I wanted to comment on Mike’s seeming philosophy about acquiring/losing players:

Until Rubenstein, Mike was operating under Angelos’ restraints, but it seems that little has changed aside from the Os rise to serious contender.

Mike seems reluctant to make a serious expenditure for a “Sure Thing,” preferring instead to seek WAR in unexpected places. Sometimes it works, and the list of unknowns who contributed is gratifyingly long.

Look at that list above and marvel at the offal we had. Mike worked miracles and no doubt.

The problem is that usually a guy has mediocre stats because he’s mediocre, and now we have a perfect storm of guys who briefly excelled and are now all at once back to being drudges, which reveals how fragile such a strategy is.

Everybody in the pitching category: every single guy in the bullpen is undependable, and the two prospect pitchers we’ve thrown into the fray have been lousy( but of course, SSS)

Unless Mike is willing to acquire proven solid players, and pay for them from his stash of prospect coin, we will  have this constant worry of diamonds in the rough returning to the rough.

(Burnes was a great acquisition, but was affordable because he only has one year left. If he had two, Mike would probably not have paid the additional price.)

The waiver wire magic is really good, and Mike has done extremely well, but by itself won’t allow prolonged excellence.  
 

It is relatively easy to go from Terrible to Mediocre to Good, and we’ve done that.

But to go from good to Elite, and sustain it is incredibly hard, and if Mike doesn’t start paying for real players, it won’t happen.

He got Burnes and what he gets at the deadline is TBD. Have patience. 

[Sports Guy]

What an odd 3 year bump 

[sportsfan8703]

10 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

What an odd 3 year bump 

It is deadline time and trading season.  It would make more sense if it included an update of all the players from all the trades.  Missing here is the players gotten back in the Scott/Sulser deal, the Jorge Lopez deal, and the Cano deal.  

I'm glad we're hear.  3.5 years ago was a dark time to be an O's fan.  

[btdart20]

1 hour ago, HowAboutThat said:

Until Rubenstein, Mike was operating under Angelos’ restraints, but it seems that little has changed aside from the Os rise to serious contender.

The "Rubenstein Era" hasn't even finished a single trade deadline muchless a fiscal year or offseason.  A bit SSS to determine what has/hasn't changed in Elias' approach.

[HowAboutThat]

36 minutes ago, btdart20 said:

The "Rubenstein Era" hasn't even finished a single trade deadline muchless a fiscal year or offseason.  A bit SSS to determine what has/hasn't changed in Elias' approach.

I’m unclear whether the Burnes trade was Angelos or Rubinstein, but regardless, it was for only one year. And since then, Mike has been repeating his past MO, and has brought on board Suarez, who was excellent for a while and has now been terrible for a while, and a lot of hopeful lotto tickets that haven’t worked, plus Burch and Vinnie, who have been ok in limited action.

Yes, we shall see what the next week brings, but if the past is predictive, it won’t be anything expensive.

[Flash- bd]

10 hours ago, HowAboutThat said:

It is relatively easy to go from Terrible to Mediocre to Good, and we’ve done that.

But to go from good to Elite, and sustain it is incredibly hard, and if Mike doesn’t start paying for real players, it won’t happen.

Going 162-102 over almost a season and 2/3 is just going from Mediocre to Good?

[HowAboutThat]

16 minutes ago, Flash- bd said:

Going 162-102 over almost a season and 2/3 is just going from Mediocre to Good?

Elite is success, time and results. We’ve been a good team since Adley came up, but we’re not elite yet, and we won’t be until we have sustained success to include playoff success. 

The Astros may not be elite anymore( though that remains to be seen)but they went to, I think, six consecutive ALCS. That’s elite.