Who do you trade when you are building towards winning?

[HowAboutThat]

2 hours ago, Camden_yardbird said:

Depends, there are a lot of factors.  When does Elias think the competitive window starts, what is the return (report is the asking price is "insane", what is their internal evaluation of Diaz?

Well you know as always, it depends upon the return. Regarding their internal valuation of Diaz, I don’t think That would really matter. He’s not the only one preparing for the outfield, he may not even be the best one preparing for the outfield.

[Three Run Homer]

You should always listen to see if you can get outstanding value in a trade, but it is possible to have too many prospects--too many to protect from the Rule V draft, too many to evaluate at the major league level.  Right now the O's have a lot of interesting guys at AA and below and could very well face congestion issues in 1-2 years in the starting rotation and in the middle infield.  It's a nice problem to have, but it can create frictions. 

Certainly I would target quality over quantity in any deals we make--if we trade Mancini or even Mullins or Means, it's more important than usual for the O's to hold out for one outstanding prospect rather than two or three good ones.  

 

[Camden_yardbird]

11 hours ago, Three Run Homer said:

You should always listen to see if you can get outstanding value in a trade, but it is possible to have too many prospects--too many to protect from the Rule V draft, too many to evaluate at the major league level.  Right now the O's have a lot of interesting guys at AA and below and could very well face congestion issues in 1-2 years in the starting rotation and in the middle infield.  It's a nice problem to have, but it can create frictions. 

Certainly I would target quality over quantity in any deals we make--if we trade Mancini or even Mullins or Means, it's more important than usual for the O's to hold out for one outstanding prospect rather than two or three good ones.  

 

I agree that I think we are done with the breadth of prospects trades.  One more 1 for 4 trade and things start getting very tight in the low minors.

[sevastras]

There isnt anyone on the current MLB team I wouldnt trade for the right package.  If I had to keep someone, Mullins, Mountcastle, Hunter Harvey, Hays and of course Chris Davis.

[Ruzious]

We shall see.  I think Mancini will be traded, because he's going to get paid real money next season, and I'm doubtful the O's are willing to be the ones paying him - especially if they have other players at 1B and DH.   

[sevastras]

12 hours ago, Three Run Homer said:

You should always listen to see if you can get outstanding value in a trade, but it is possible to have too many prospects--too many to protect from the Rule V draft, too many to evaluate at the major league level.  Right now the O's have a lot of interesting guys at AA and below and could very well face congestion issues in 1-2 years in the starting rotation and in the middle infield.  It's a nice problem to have, but it can create frictions. 

Certainly I would target quality over quantity in any deals we make--if we trade Mancini or even Mullins or Means, it's more important than usual for the O's to hold out for one outstanding prospect rather than two or three good ones.  

 

Wonder what it would take to get CJ Abrams. 

[sevastras]

Just now, Ruzious said:

We shall see.  I think Mancini will be traded, because he's going to get paid real money next season, and I'm doubtful the O's are willing to be the ones paying him - especially if they have other players at 1B and DH.   

I think you are right.  If Mancini were traded, things get easier for putting people in their correct positions.

[Ruzious]

3 minutes ago, sevastras said:

Wonder what it would take to get CJ Abrams. 

A lot - to be precise.  He's going to be such a fun player to watch.  

[bpilktree]

The next step will be Elias when he trades pieces he will get players closer to ready to help the big league team.  The last two years he was getting mostly lower level guys and building the lower minors as a bottom up rebuild.  This off season he picked up a couple AA type guys that should help by mid year next year.  I expect the moves he makes this trade deadline will be guys in AA or AAA that can be ready to join the core of prospects like Rutchsman, Hall and Rodriguez.  The infield is still weak in the upper levels and will need some help if we want to compete for 2023.  These guys don’t have to be studs just guys that are solid players.  The outfield and hopefully the pitching will carry us first.  Then as the outfield gets older and more expensive you start to move them and hopefully the lower level infield guys like Gunner, Harinaz and Westburger become the core with the outfield being younger.  

[joelala]

1 hour ago, sevastras said:

Wonder what it would take to get CJ Abrams. 

I don’t think it would even be feasible for us unless we started offering one or more of our top 100 prospects. Means and Mullins would be their starting point I think. 

[Natty]

 .346 Pct. Worst record in the AL. Trending in the right direction? 

[OriolesMagic83]

12 hours ago, joelala said:

I don’t think it would even be feasible for us unless we started offering one or more of our top 100 prospects. Means and Mullins would be their starting point I think. 

What prospect would they need to trade in addition to Abrams to get Gunnar.  As Buck used to say, I like our guys.  Wonder if the Padres will convert him to 2B, since they have Machado and Tatis at 3B and SS.

[joelala]

4 hours ago, OriolesMagic83 said:

What prospect would they need to trade in addition to Abrams to get Gunnar.  As Buck used to say, I like our guys.  Wonder if the Padres will convert him to 2B, since they have Machado and Tatis at 3B and SS.

I’d think yea, probably second base or CF. And a package of Means and Gunnar may well get it done you’re right, but I think that’s a poor trade for us. 
 

I just think in general we’d have to overpay for Abrams. Teams definitely seem to value their top prospects much more than they did in the days of the Aroldis Chapman, Jose Quintana, and Chris Sale trades. 

[sportsfan8703]

6 hours ago, Natty said:

 .346 Pct. Worst record in the AL. Trending in the right direction? 

Exactly. That’s why we have to realize we aren’t winning in 2022, and 2023 has to have a lot come together. 
 

We have some attractive options that can bring back everyday position players, or starting pitchers for 2023+. Those options being Mancini, Fry, Sulser, Scott, and Galvis. 
 

I’m not worried about gutting the bullpen of a last place team, even if it has been a bright spot. Relievers are volatile so I like the idea of selling high, unless they are real special. Also, our current batch of SPs will likely make up our future bullpen because they likely won’t all succeed as SPs. 
 

Unfortunately, we’re still at the point where Elias should be targeting players in A/AA ball with the hopes of hitting on some players with a higher ceiling for our next “winning” ball clubs. 
 

Things could actually get worse before they get better. Such as the end of 2021, and the beginning of 2022, but Elias can add some serious talent with the trade deadline return, and the upcoming draft. We have to play the long game, at this point there is no other point. 

Edited June 13, 2021 by sportsfan8703

[Aristotelian]

21 hours ago, sevastras said:

Wonder what it would take to get CJ Abrams. 

Would Mountcastle and Fry start a conversation with them?