Trevor Bauer

[Moose Milligan]

7 minutes ago, OriolesMagic83 said:

Let's assume that what Bauer did was legal (I think there are good arguments both ways).  Is violent, assaulting sex something you want your players engaging in?

100%.  Yes. 

[Jammer7]

1 hour ago, Can_of_corn said:

And given that you can change your mind at any point and stop giving consent losing the ability to give consent is the same as no longer giving consent.

Once you lose the ability to say yes you are saying no.

That is certainly a valid concern, but the standard is beyond a reasonable doubt in court. It is a bit of a gray area, depends on the the totality of the circumstances. There are many many factors to consider in each situation. There are aggravating and mitigating factors.

And to be clear, I am not justifying or defending his actions. I find his character to be distasteful at best. I also detest what society does today when deciding a person’s guilt based on an edited snippet of video, a partial list of “facts,” and the wave of public opinion and ridicule (regardless of fact) because they do not like someone. It is not what America stands for. It ruins lives on a daily basis. It sickens me. 

[SteveA]

1 hour ago, Jammer7 said:

That is certainly a valid concern, but the standard is beyond a reasonable doubt in court. It is a bit of a gray area, depends on the the totality of the circumstances. There are many many factors to consider in each situation. There are aggravating and mitigating factors.

And to be clear, I am not justifying or defending his actions. I find his character to be distasteful at best. I also detest what society does today when deciding a person’s guilt based on an edited snippet of video, a partial list of “facts,” and the wave of public opinion and ridicule (regardless of fact) because they do not like someone. It is not what America stands for. It ruins lives on a daily basis. It sickens me. 

What you describe certainly does occur.

But I would think it occurs far, far less than actual acts of sexual violence which also ruin lives on a daily basis.   FAR less.

[Jammer7]

10 minutes ago, SteveA said:

What you describe certainly does occur.

But I would think it occurs far, far less than actual acts of sexual violence which also ruin lives on a daily basis.   FAR less.

Hard to say, really, since much of this kind of thing goes unreported. I have worked in a field familiar with these kinds of things for 27 years. You may be surprised at how many people say they were sexually assaulted and were not when the facts come out. This has been my experience, but in no way does it demean or cast doubt upon anyone who was legitimately assaulted. The investigations should be of a strict confidentiality until the facts are determined. And really, every criminal investigation should be this way. Instead, we see snippets on CNN and immediately form opinions of things we know very little about. 

[HowAboutThat]

2 hours ago, Jammer7 said:

Hard to say, really, since much of this kind of thing goes unreported. I have worked in a field familiar with these kinds of things for 27 years. You may be surprised at how many people say they were sexually assaulted and were not when the facts come out. This has been my experience, but in no way does it demean or cast doubt upon anyone who was legitimately assaulted. The investigations should be of a strict confidentiality until the facts are determined. And really, every criminal investigation should be this way. Instead, we see snippets on CNN and immediately form opinions of things we know very little about. 

That’s the point I was trying to make. Somewhere online I saw a photograph *^%# the Athletics just tied Seattle… And it showed some woman holding up a sign saying, “believe all survivors.” Oh really? How do you know who’s a survivor and who’s lying for their own purposes, and people have really loopy purposes.

[Jammer7]

7 hours ago, Philip said:

That’s the point I was trying to make. Somewhere online I saw a photograph *^%# the Athletics just tied Seattle… And it showed some woman holding up a sign saying, “believe all survivors.” Oh really? How do you know who’s a survivor and who’s lying for their own purposes, and people have really loopy purposes.

Questionable motives are out there, certainly on all sides. Professional athletes, like all public figures, are sometimes targets and have to be very careful what situation they put themselves into. It would be a huge risk to bring in a player who finds himself in bad situations frequently. I would not want that in my clubhouse, especially with a young team. Even at the league minimum.