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I think its 30 days from when he starts to play for an O's affiliate.   Games in extended spring training don't count.

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Somewhere before the 2024 season we will have posts on here about how Elias won’t spend money on a free agent starter because Means will be coming back and that’s just as good. 

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The angle of the arm adds stress to the arm.  Flat ground equals minimal stress.  Half-mound adds stress but not as much as a full mound.

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Good article here discussing various research studies regarding TJ surgery.  One study found that average time to return to competition was 452 days.   So that would suggest that Means would not return until next August.   It also notes that post-TJ pitchers don’t throw as many innings as before.   https://globalsportmatters.com/health/2019/07/09/mixed-results-await-pitchers-after-tommy-john-surgery/

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4 hours ago, Aristotelian said:

Sucks but not a shocker. Glad they are getting it out of the way instead of doing the "try three months of rest and then get surgery anyway" approach. 

Yeah if I had to guess this is what most doctors probably say. Like, look we could try to rehab it, your ligament is technically in tact, but if it doesn't work you're gonna get the surgery anyway. Might as well just opt for the new ligament now.

Sucks but it happens to every team. Means is a pro and he will attack the rehab with gusto I'm sure. 

The good news is despite the agonizingly slow process, we WILL see exciting SP prospects this season. And Zimmermann is doing his best Means impression in the meantime. Not sure what happened to his fastball but the change is legit.

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2 minutes ago, Frobby said:

Good article here discussing various research studies regarding TJ surgery.  One study found that average time to return to competition was 452 days.   So that would suggest that Means would not return until next August.   It also notes that post-TJ pitchers don’t throw as many innings as before.   https://globalsportmatters.com/health/2019/07/09/mixed-results-await-pitchers-after-tommy-john-surgery/

So what would Means contract be like next year? The Orioles can release him correct?

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So what would Means contract be like next year? The Orioles can release him correct?

Normally, teams pay their injured players about the same amount as before they were injured.   Means is getting $2.7-3.1 mm this year, depending on the outcome of his arbitration.  So they’d pay him roughly that next year but only get his services for maybe 2 months.   It would not shock me if they released him, but he’d probably be pretty cheap in Arb 3.   I’m sure there have been some comparable situations but I’d have to spend some time digging them out.  

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Actually, Alex Cobb is a good example.  He was paid $4 mm in Arb 1, never pitched that year and had TJ surgery early that season, got paid another $4 mm for Arb 2 but returned late and only made 5 starts, then got paid $4.2 mm in Arb 3.   

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3 minutes ago, Going Underground said:

Turns 29 tomorrow. Not the best birthday news.Spoke to him twice and a big Chiefs fan.He said he wouldn't mind pitching for the Royals one day.

Seriously?   Another frickin' Jeremy Guthrie.   He'll sport a short that says "These O's aint Royal".

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