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Who wins MVO?  

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  1. 1. Who wins MVO?

    • Adley Rutschman
      22
    • Gunnar Henderson
      49
    • Félix Bautista
      8
    • Kyle Bradish
      16
    • Kyle Gibson
      0
    • Other (Please Name)
      2

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First off, discovered this forum this year and have loved following- thanks to all who organize/participate. Been an O's fan since I can remember and spent post-college years in Baltimore (Fells Point

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Adam Frazier 

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The team was 80-48 (.625) with Bautista.  They’re 19-11 (.633) without him.   He was very valuable but nowhere near the value of a very good position player.   

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4 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

We could have been a playoff team without Gunnar.

They aren’t one without Bautista or, they are at least fighting for one and are on the borderline but I don’t think they get in.
 

Gunnar is the best player on the team but he’s not in my top 2 for MVO because we could have replaced him with Ortiz or Mayo and we probably still make the playoffs.

Without Bautista, a team that didn’t have that great of a run differential for most of this season isn’t in the playoffs imo.

An MVP is award should be, if you remove player X and replace him with ???, how much does it affect your team.  
 

We are seeing the drop off of the pen without him and if people are being honest right now, there really isn’t anyone in the pen that you feel super confident in the playoffs in a high leverage situation.

Toronto is 12 games back of us and is probably going to get in. As great as Bautista was I don't think we'd be blowing that many more games. Since his injury we have maintained our lead on Tampa, stayed on a 100 win pace, and beaten some very good teams.

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4 minutes ago, Aristotelian said:

Toronto is 12 games back of us and is probably going to get in. As great as Bautista was I don't think we'd be blowing that many more games. Since his injury we have maintained our lead on Tampa, stayed on a 100 win pace, and beaten some very good teams.

That’s over a far smaller sample size and at a time when the starters and I believe the offense were better than they were for most of the year.

You can’t just look at right now. This is a season long award. The Orioles didn’t have a good run differential for most of the season. They have won a ton of 1 run games. A shaky bullpen, which is exactly what they have without him, can cost you a lot of games.

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28 minutes ago, dystopia said:

What in the world is Gibson doing here? Going off of fWAR or something? 
 

anyway, it’s Gunnar

The interesting thing about Gibson is that he was credited with 15 wins, but the team was “only” 19-13 when he started.  The other starters: 

Bradish (12 wins): 19-10

Kremer (12 wins): 23-8

Rodriguez (7 wins): 14-9

Wells (7 wins): 11-9

Irvin (1 win): 8-4

Flaherty (1 win): 3-4

Means (1 win): 2-1

The other “starter loss” went to Akin in a bullpen game. 

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1 minute ago, Ridgway22 said:

This post just brings home the very satisfying feeling of having several excellent choices, all with brightly Orange colored, team controlled futures......

Certainly a better debate to have than most of the last 25 years.

Hmm, who should win MVO for a god awful team that is an embarrassment to the city, league and fan base?  
 

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3 minutes ago, Frobby said:

The interesting thing about Gibson is that he was credited with 15 wins, but the team was “only” 19-13 when he started.  The other starters: 

Bradish (12 wins): 19-10

Kremer (12 wins): 23-8

Rodriguez (7 wins): 14-9

Wells (7 wins): 11-9

Irvin (1 win): 8-4

Flaherty (1 win): 3-4

Means (1 win): 2-1

The other “starter loss” went to Akin in a bullpen game. 

That seals it then, Kremer for MVO. 😁

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Just now, OriolesMagic83 said:

Well when I compare how much he contributed to how much I thought he would contribute maybe he deserves consideration.  Did any Oriole have more big hits than Frazier?  I know his glove was another not so valuable thing.

But the few times he he made a remarkable (for him perhaps) defensive play were critical moments. 

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19 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

We could have been a playoff team without Gunnar.

They aren’t one without Bautista or, they are at least fighting for one and are on the borderline but I don’t think they get in.
 

Gunnar is the best player on the team but he’s not in my top 2 for MVO because we could have replaced him with Ortiz or Mayo and we probably still make the playoffs.

Without Bautista, a team that didn’t have that great of a run differential for most of this season isn’t in the playoffs imo.

An MVP is award should be, if you remove player X and replace him with ???, how much does it affect your team.  
 

We are seeing the drop off of the pen without him and if people are being honest right now, there really isn’t anyone in the pen that you feel super confident in the playoffs in a high leverage situation.

We are 12.5 games ahead of the team that currently holds the last wild card spot.  I’m extremely confident we’d be in the playoffs with or without Bautista.  Would we have won the division title?  Maybe not.  I might even go so far as probably not.  

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1 minute ago, Ridgway22 said:

I voted AR, there is a gap between him and Gunnar stat-wise, but as a former pitcher, I am biased towards great catchers. They impact the game in ways that don't show up in a box score. 

That said, glad we have them both.

 

It's not a coincidence the Orioles haven't been swept in any single series since Adley joined the team. I voted for Gunnar, but I have Adley right there with him. There are very few good catchers in baseball at any one time and the Orioles have one of them.

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1 hour ago, Tony-OH said:

Was Kyle Gibson put on here as the throwaway pick like when you have multiple choice tests in the Army? :D

Gibson is not even a top five pitcher of the year for the Orioles candidate.

Got the idea from Peter Schmuck; he cited Gibson's team leading win total.   The fact that there are so many good choices tells you what a year it has been.

Adley has been the most valuable since his 2022 debut, but focusing on 2023 alone, the edge goes to Gunnar.

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