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Final Chapter for the Os "veteran" positional player group - Santander, Mullins, Hays, Mountcastle, Frazier, Urias


Pat Kelly

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21 hours ago, Pat Kelly said:

Elias and Hyde elected to stay with this positional player group, not upgrade - Jackson Holliday could have been the Os vers of Evan Carter, current Ortiz is equal or better than current AF or Urias - allow for more development and retain prospect assets.    E&H resisted upgrading to improve the postseason performance, probably arguing amongst themselves about short term vs long-term approach.   Also they maintained that the only upgrades would be pitching. 

Have been willing to live without more pitching upgrades since they are often a crapshoot but the lack of in-game power, situational hitting, strike first mentality, patience, game plan by the line-up is tough to watch.  Don't expect the emerging stars Adley, Gunnar, Westburg, HK to be leading things and finished products...they are still WIP.   Not yet convinced the hitting "vets" Mullins, Hays, Mountcastle, Santander, O'Hearn, Frazier, Hicks (from this group only Mullins and Hays are difference makers on defense) are post-season battle tested and capable of post-season small ball or late game heroics against elite bullpens.  

Two questions.  Was the approach to stay with the position player group intentional (only real change was HK for Mckenna)?  Was it the best decision in light of recent performance (or is this just randomness/bad luck)? 

 

They promoted a number of guys this year. Some were successful, Some weren’t, and Some have had mixed results. There is no way of knowing if Holiday would’ve be overmatched or not. Kjerstad had a couple homers but is batting.233. Cowser looked mostly bad why he was here. Westburg has had a decent campaign but has struggled of late. Ortiz hit .222 in the same amount of ABs as Kerjstad but with no power. I have confidence in Elias to pick the right time for the players and the club. In 2 games we are losing with the guys we’ve been winning with most of the year.

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