Orioles 2006 Top 10 Prospects

[Tony-OH]

Things were starting to get ugly by 2006.

https://web.archive.org/web/20061026184459/http://www.orioleshangout.com/article.asp?ID=677

This top ten shows how Joe Jordan's first two drafts (2005 and 2006) were complete busts outside of his 2nd round selection Nolan Reimold (2005), 3rd rounder Zach Britton (2006) and 16th rounder David Hernandez. Missing on his first two 1st round (Brandon Snyder and Billy Rowell) and 1st round supplemental picks (Garrett Olson and Pedro Beato) really hurt the overall impact talent in the system. Those four combined to put up -3.8 WAR with Rowell of course being a total wash out.

The real top 10 based off WAR: (130 ABs and 50 IP min)
1. Zach Britton - (14 WAR)
2. Jim Johnson - (8.3 WAR)
3. David Hernandez (4.7 WAR)
4. Brad Bergesen (2.9 WAR)
5. Nolan Reimold (2.8 WAR)
6. Chris Britton (1.3 WAR)
7. Jeff Fiorentino (0.7 WAR)
8. Brian Burress (0.0 WAR)
9. Jason Berken (-0.1 WAR)
t10. Brandon Snyder (-0.1 WAR)
t10. Scott Rice (-0.1 WAR)
t10. Eddy Rodriguez (-0.1 WAR) 


 

 

[Hank Scorpio]

Oy vey!

[Frobby]

9 hours ago, Tony-OH said:

Things were starting to get ugly by 2006.

https://web.archive.org/web/20061026184459/http://www.orioleshangout.com/article.asp?ID=677

This top ten shows how Joe Jordan's first two drafts (2005 and 2006) were complete busts outside of his 2nd round selection Nolan Reimold (2005), 3rd rounder Zach Britton (2006) and 16th rounder David Hernandez. Missing on his first two 1st round (Brandon Snyder and Billy Rowell) and 1st round supplemental picks (Garrett Olson and Pedro Beato) really hurt the overall impact talent in the system. Those four combined to put up -3.8 WAR with Rowell of course being a total wash out.

The real top 10 based off WAR: (130 ABs and 50 IP min)
1. Zach Britton - (14 WAR)
2. Jim Johnson - (8.3 WAR)
3. David Hernandez (4.7 WAR)
4. Brad Bergesen (2.9 WAR)
5. Nolan Reimold (2.8 WAR)
6. Chris Britton (1.3 WAR)
7. Jeff Fiorentino (0.7 WAR)
8. Brian Burress (0.0 WAR)
9. Jason Berken (-0.1 WAR)
t10. Brandon Snyder (-0.1 WAR)
t10. Scott Rice (-0.1 WAR)
t10. Eddy Rodriguez (-0.1 WAR) 


 

 

There used to be a website called The Baseball Gauge that tracked the WAR generated by every team’s farm system according to who had played in it as of March 1 of each year.   I wrote about it in this thread.  Anyway, to make a long story short, the farm system as of 3/1/07 (which corresponds to your post-2006 list) was the weakest our farm system ever was between 2000-19.  Everybody in the whole system as of that date produced 25.8 rWAR total upon reaching the major leagues.  For context, the median major league farm system between 2000-2014 produced about 105 rWAR.  Of 450 team-years in those 15 years, that Orioles farm system was 440th in WAR produced.  Truly horrendous.  

[Rbiggs2525]

Even looking at that list I believe David Hernandez was between 90-110 in most prospect lists. Goes to show you the difference from then to now. Mayo or Basallo will be 3rd and top 25 by most publications.

[Tony-OH]

9 hours ago, Frobby said:

There used to be a website called The Baseball Gauge that tracked the WAR generated by every team’s farm system according to who had played in it as of March 1 of each year.   I wrote about it in this thread.  Anyway, to make a long story short, the farm system as of 3/1/07 (which corresponds to your post-2006 list) was the weakest our farm system ever was between 2000-19.  Everybody in the whole system as of that date produced 25.8 rWAR total upon reaching the major leagues.  For context, the median major league farm system between 2000-2014 produced about 105 rWAR.  Of 450 team-years in those 15 years, that Orioles farm system was 440th in WAR produced.  Truly horrendous.  

I liked Joe Jordan and I do think he really was a good scout, but his misses at the top of his drafts really hurt the farm system and organization as a whole. Now, I don't think they were all his fault since the development system at that time was truly terrible and there was a riff between him and his scouts and that development system that let to the dysfunction.

His only true hit was when Manny Machado fell to him with the 3rd overall pick in 2010. Sure you can argue that Matt Wieters (18.3 WAR) was a good selection, but Madison Bumgarner (10th, 37.3 WAR), Jason Heyward (14th, 407 WAR), Rick Porcello (27th, 18.8),  Todd Frazier (34th, 25.2 WAR) and Josh Donaldson (48th, 46.8 WAR) all were selected after him in the 1st or supplemental 1st round and produced more WAR over their careers. 

But up to this time, he spent $5.45 million dollars on Brandon Snyder, Garret Olson, Billy Rowell and Pedro Beato and they combined to put up -3.8 WAR in the majors. 

Now when you combine that with the Angelos forced selection of Wade Townsend in the absolutely horrid 2004 draft by Tony DeMacio, Nick Markakis' graduation, and really DeMacio's poor drafts overall, plus no real international presence and a terrible development system, and you get one terrible system.

[Frobby]

1 hour ago, Tony-OH said:

I liked Joe Jordan and I do think he really was a good scout, but his misses at the top of his drafts really hurt the farm system and organization as a whole. Now, I don't think they were all his fault since the development system at that time was truly terrible and there was a riff between him and his scouts and that development system that let to the dysfunction.

His only true hit was when Manny Machado fell to him with the 3rd overall pick in 2010. Sure you can argue that Matt Wieters (18.3 WAR) was a good selection, but Madison Bumgarner (10th, 37.3 WAR), Jason Heyward (14th, 407 WAR), Rick Porcello (27th, 18.8),  Todd Frazier (34th, 25.2 WAR) and Josh Donaldson (48th, 46.8 WAR) all were selected after him in the 1st or supplemental 1st round and produced more WAR over their careers. 

But up to this time, he spent $5.45 million dollars on Brandon Snyder, Garret Olson, Billy Rowell and Pedro Beato and they combined to put up -3.8 WAR in the majors. 

Now when you combine that with the Angelos forced selection of Wade Townsend in the absolutely horrid 2004 draft by Tony DeMacio, Nick Markakis' graduation, and really DeMacio's poor drafts overall, plus no real international presence and a terrible development system, and you get one terrible system.

Arrieta was a good pick by Jordan, we just screwed him up.