Julio Teheran Flyer

[Moose Milligan]

3 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

You must have skipped the Brewers half of the coverage of the Burnes trade.

Thankfully.

[Can_of_corn]

4 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

Thankfully.

It wasn't bad.

They even had some pictures, I know you like pictures.

[RZNJ]

23 minutes ago, Orioles0615 said:

Oh yea I don't think its that big of a deal I would just prefer it be a full minor league deal, it just gets tiresome digging through the dumpster thinking we can fix everyone. I am still hoping they go get someone a little more established to backfill injuries 

Isn't it a full minor league deal?  He's not on the 40 man.  He got a 100k signing bonus.  He's guaranteed nothing else.   Is it the opt out?

[Frobby]

Holy Jair Jurrjens!   Holy Johan Santana!  Holy Matt Harvey!

Actually, I don’t hate it.   Not expecting anything, but he could come in handy in a pinch.  

[Moose Milligan]

I remember wishing Johan Santana didn't get hurt.  I wanted to see what he could do.  

[VICIOUS]

1 hour ago, TommyPickles said:

I like the addition of Teheran. He was decent last season with the Brewers, he's still just 33, and his 1.130 WHIP in 2023 was below his career average. Nice experience and talent to have in your minors.

Thought I saw he had an opt out. He may not stay.

[Frobby]

18 minutes ago, VICIOUS said:

Thought I saw he had an opt out. He may not stay.

I wonder when his opt out date is.  I’m guessing it’s not until May 15 or so.   

[CaptainRedbeard]

1 hour ago, RZNJ said:

It’s a 100K insurance policy in case another starter goes down.   By the end of the month they should have a better read on Means and Bradish.  If things look promising on either one and the current 5 is intact do they make Teheran a $2M long man?

 

I think they could make him a $2M long man if they think there’s something there to work with. If they think he’s just a 33 year old ~4.90 ERA guy, why bother. Zimmermann or even Armbruester could do that if they just don’t want to disrupt Povich/McDermott’s continued development.

It also could be a little window into what they actually think about Means’ and Bradish’s injuries if they keep Teheran as the long man / 6th starter, doesn’t make sense to give him $2M to do that if they really think Means is due back in a few weeks and Bradish midseason.

[RZNJ]

2 minutes ago, CaptainRedbeard said:

I think they could make him a $2M long man if they think there’s something there to work with. If they think he’s just a 33 year old ~4.90 ERA guy, why bother. Zimmermann or even Armbruester could do that if they just don’t want to disrupt Povich/McDermott’s continued development.

It also could be a little window into what they actually think about Means’ and Bradish’s injuries if they keep Teheran as the long man / 6th starter, doesn’t make sense to give him $2M to do that if they really think Means is due back in a few weeks and Bradish midseason.

Yeah, I think this is like “We’ll give you 100k to get ready for the season and we’ll see how desperate we are at the end of March”.

[sportsfan8703]

8 hours ago, wildcard said:

Hello Chris Holt.   Teheran (age 33) looks like a project in ST for the O's pitching lab.   Teheran pitched 129 innings and 24 starts last year between the majors and the minors.   He added a cutter that batters only hit .219.  His curve had a .074 average.    

His sinker  got hit at a .285 rate and it was only 90 mph but Teheran has not averaged 92 with any pitch since 2015. 

In 2019 he had a 10-11, 3.81 ERA, 33 S, 174 IP with 89.7 mph fastball while pitching for the Braves. 

He had a shoulder strain in 2021 and the recovery was long.  2023 was  the first indication that he might have something left.

With Tylers Wells and Irvin pushed into the rotation the O's could use a long man in the pen to begin the season.  Depending on what the pitching lab is able to do for him he could fill that role.  And if there is another injury in the rotation Teheran is a candidate to fill the void.

He has an opt out from his minor league contract if he does not make the team.

Great take. The O’s staff and Brewers staff both have HOU ties. We have a good working relationship with Milwaukee. The Brewers pitching lab obviously helped JT, but it wasn’t a permanent fix. Maybe we can capitalize off of those first handful of starts. JT is also a year further removed from the injury and has 77 MLB IP under his belt from last season. 

It’s just an MILB deal for a guy that was the #5 SP for a playoff team’s rotation last year. The AL/NL difference isn’t that big of of a deal now that there is a DH and both leagues. 

As of now, JT and Zimmerman are our #6-#7 SP. Elias is trying his best, but it’s obvious there is a budget. So why not grab a cheap guy that had success for your buddies last year in the same “system”?  

[Aristotelian]

I don't like the opt out. That puts some pressure on us to have him make the team. I guess it is $100k for first dibs on him if he looks decent. 

[Can_of_corn]

2 minutes ago, Aristotelian said:

I don't like the opt out. That puts some pressure on us to have him make the team. I guess it is $100k for first dibs on him if he looks decent. 

A lot of these types of deals have Opt outs.

Cost of doing business.

[Frobby]

14 minutes ago, Aristotelian said:

I don't like the opt out. That puts some pressure on us to have him make the team. I guess it is $100k for first dibs on him if he looks decent. 

We don’t know the opt out date.  It may not be at the end of March.  Let’s not forget that Teheran is coming to camp two weeks late.   We may not even see him pitch until March 8 or so.   

[sportsfan8703]

1 hour ago, Moose Milligan said:

I remember wishing Johan Santana didn't get hurt.  I wanted to see what he could do.  

Yup. Instead we got Freddy Garcia and Gallardo. JT is probably similar to those two. At least we didn’t have to give JT 3/21 and lose a draft pick. Man, the dark days were dark. 

We needed a guy like JT or Matt Boyd. Just a vet arm for depth. Also, this is a $2.1 million deal if we call him up for even one appearance. So he’s SP depth. I don’t think we’d spend that money to have him pitch in relief with no options. 

Just depth in case one of Burnes, GR, Kremer, Wells, or Irvin, gets hurt. 

I’m sure Elias would prefer to sign on of Clevinger/Lorenzen over JT. Elias just doesn’t have the budget. If that’s the case, we should consider trading/not picking up the contracts of Mateo, Urias, and even O’Hearn. We have backup bats. We don’t have back up SP. 

[Aristotelian]

33 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

A lot of these types of deals have Opt outs.

Cost of doing business.

 

20 minutes ago, Frobby said:

We don’t know the opt out date.  It may not be at the end of March.  Let’s not forget that Teheran is coming to camp two weeks late.   We may not even see him pitch until March 8 or so.   

Agreed with both points. There is little downside here. But if the opt out is end of March then it may not really be "AAA depth" signing. In that case, it is more likely to be 5th starter for the MLB team, he goes somewhere else, or he sucks and disappears. If the opt out is later (which I didn't even think of), then the AAA depth outcome is more likely.