Clubhouse issues?

[Sports Guy]

The Orioles have allowed off-field tensions to simmer. There is an old guard fighting for their jobs amid contract years. There are young stars who deserve long-term contracts but for whatever reason — be it the front office or the players’ agents — haven’t inked those deals. The farm system spilleth over, and it’s obvious that many of the youngest players stuck in baseball’s “quadruple A” believe they’re ready for big league roles that the Orioles are still too stacked to give them.
 

https://www.thebaltimorebanner.com/sports/orioles-mlb/orioles-slump-mlb-trade-deadline-mike-elias-AXR6JRWMLFECFIYIXJDZY56LVA/
 

 

The off field tensions stuff is interesting. Apparently the guys on the OTV podcast mentioned that they had heard Hays was causing some clubhouse issues.  Perhaps he wasn’t happy about being benched?  May make sense that he took a subtle shot at the Os in his interview.

This may be nothing and just some frustration with the way they have played for about a month but still, maybe there are some underlying issues with some.

 

[Aristotelian]

No way to know and pointless to speculate without more info. I have no problem with them getting rid of Hays. He had chances to perform and didn't provide anything of value while blocking younger players.

What was the subtle shot? Hays should understand it's a business and be grateful that he got an opportunity to play a kid's game professionally for as long as he did.

[dystopia]

14 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

The Orioles have allowed off-field tensions to simmer. There is an old guard fighting for their jobs amid contract years. There are young stars who deserve long-term contracts but for whatever reason — be it the front office or the players’ agents — haven’t inked those deals. The farm system spilleth over, and it’s obvious that many of the youngest players stuck in baseball’s “quadruple A” believe they’re ready for big league roles that the Orioles are still too stacked to give them.
 

https://www.thebaltimorebanner.com/sports/orioles-mlb/orioles-slump-mlb-trade-deadline-mike-elias-AXR6JRWMLFECFIYIXJDZY56LVA/
 

 

The off field tensions stuff is interesting. Apparently the guys on the OTV podcast mentioned that they had heard Hays was causing some clubhouse issues.  Perhaps he wasn’t happy about being benched?  May make sense that he took a subtle shot at the Os in his interview.

This may be nothing and just some frustration with the way they have played for about a month but still, maybe there are some underlying issues with some.

 

Probably why he was traded. I wondered how pissed he would be about getting moved to a platoon/bench role after Cowser forced his way into a starting job in April. 

[casadeozo]

44 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

The Orioles have allowed off-field tensions to simmer. There is an old guard fighting for their jobs amid contract years. There are young stars who deserve long-term contracts but for whatever reason — be it the front office or the players’ agents — haven’t inked those deals. The farm system spilleth over, and it’s obvious that many of the youngest players stuck in baseball’s “quadruple A” believe they’re ready for big league roles that the Orioles are still too stacked to give them.
 

https://www.thebaltimorebanner.com/sports/orioles-mlb/orioles-slump-mlb-trade-deadline-mike-elias-AXR6JRWMLFECFIYIXJDZY56LVA/
 

 

The off field tensions stuff is interesting. Apparently the guys on the OTV podcast mentioned that they had heard Hays was causing some clubhouse issues.  Perhaps he wasn’t happy about being benched?  May make sense that he took a subtle shot at the Os in his interview.

This may be nothing and just some frustration with the way they have played for about a month but still, maybe there are some underlying issues with some.

 

This is a weird story. It feels more like an opinion than an article with no quotes on the record or off the record. 

[Sports Guy]

8 minutes ago, casadeozo said:

This is a weird story. It feels more like an opinion than an article with no quotes on the record or off the record. 

Yea I don’t disagree. Just thought it was interesting.  Very tight knit group but not sure Hays was part of that “clique” or not and maybe there was something there.

[Sports Guy]

46 minutes ago, Aristotelian said:

No way to know and pointless to speculate without more info. I have no problem with them getting rid of Hays. He had chances to perform and didn't provide anything of value while blocking younger players.

What was the subtle shot? Hays should understand it's a business and be grateful that he got an opportunity to play a kid's game professionally for as long as he did.

When he said he left a first place team for one with a better chance to win a WS. He is probably right and players always seem to say positive things like that when traded but still thought it was a little unnecessary to stick the knife in a little there. 

[dystopia]

So anyway, who wants to trade for Tommy Pham? 

[webbrick2010]

People like Stowers and Norby need to play or be traded. Urias and Mateo and Mullins should be traded to turn the roster over to prospects

This pitching staff isn't going deep into the playoffs regardless of who the starting 8 is so may as well look towards the future

[casadeozo]

I’ve been saying for over a year why not trade form the depth to clear space for the young players we’re so high on. 
 

if there is resentment brewing it’s entirely on Elias for his conservative approach and refusal to clear the logjam that’s existed for 2x seasons now.

players like Stowers and Norby have to wonder how much major league time they could have already accrued if they were in a different organization . 

[Bemorewins]

1 hour ago, Aristotelian said:

No way to know and pointless to speculate without more info. I have no problem with them getting rid of Hays. He had chances to perform and didn't provide anything of value while blocking younger players.

What was the subtle shot? Hays should understand it's a business and be grateful that he got an opportunity to play a kid's game professionally for as long as he did.

The problem with that last statement is that this indeed is a business. And guys want to get paid and be fairly compensated. They all recognize that they have a short window to make life changing money.

[Bemorewins]

19 minutes ago, webbrick2010 said:

People like Stowers and Norby need to play or be traded. Urias and Mateo and Mullins should be traded to turn the roster over to prospects

This pitching staff isn't going deep into the playoffs regardless of who the starting 8 is so may as well look towards the future

Or we could add more pitching and try to maximize this season since there are serious doubts whether or pitching staff will be worse next season with Corbin Burnes.

[Roll Tide]

4 minutes ago, Bemorewins said:

Or we could add more pitching and try to maximize this season since there are serious doubts whether or pitching staff will be worse next season with Corbin Burnes.

Pitching doesn’t fix shoddy defense or lack of runs many days. 

[Chromehill]

2 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:

Pitching doesn’t fix shoddy defense or lack of runs many days. 

Which indicates that this is currently not a good team.  Question marks everywhere.

If your not playing and not happy about it, make the most of the chances when you get them.

[Bemorewins]

3 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:

Pitching doesn’t fix shoddy defense or lack of runs many days. 

Norby and Kjerstad are what they are defensively. Gunnar has all the ability in the world, he just needs to perform better. And I think he will. Right now he’s just scuffling/in a funk and his offensive struggles seem to be impacting his defense.

The runs thing will eventually turn around IMO. The hitters are too good and the org/coaching is too smart not to identify the problem and make the proper adjustment.

Right now, we are way too aggressive/swing happy. We are going to have to become more patient as a team and be willing to take a “pass the baton” approach. That and get away from trying to hunt home runs all the time.

But overall, if you look at our pitching over the last month or so (since the Bradish injury), the results cannot sustain any kind of success. We are giving up over 5.5 runs a game going beyond 30 games now.

[Roll Tide]

9 minutes ago, Chromehill said:

Which indicates that this is currently not a good team.  Question marks everywhere.

If your not playing and not happy about it, make the most of the chances when you get them.

Have you ever played competitive ball? Many guys can’t produce playing sporadically and riding the pine.  Then being sent back to the minors without getting much of a shot. BTW, Stowers has a .797 OPS in his 36 ABs of sporadic playing time. That hasn’t gotten him more time even though he’s deserving and he’s been demoted again. How would you not be asking yourself, what else do you need to do.

Edited July 27 by Roll Tide