O's acquire LHP Trevor Rogers from Marlins

[Pushmonkey]

1 minute ago, HowAboutThat said:

Isn’t Vavra terrible?

And if he’s coming up, that means Holliday is not?

That’s what I’m most confused about. I think the trade was needed and can argue about if over pay but really Vavra shouldn’t be the internal replacement when there is better options available. 

[dystopia]

Just now, Moose Milligan said:

Oooooo the Athletic gave the Orioles a D for a trade grade!

I wonder if SG is gonna be in the comments section mixing it up and telling everyone why they're wrong?

That’s pretty generous. 

[ChosenOne21]

1 minute ago, bluedog said:

Agreed. It is a common best practice in statistical analysis to throw out the best and worst numbers in a data set because removing extreme outliers gives a significantly more accurate end data set.

Or just use the median if you have outliers...

I really wish we had median earned runs per nine innings. Look at the pitcher's season in consecutive nine-inning chunks and take the median of those chunks.

[Yardball85]

1 minute ago, RVAOsFan said:

@riprulz8 @PeteCanes thanks for the downvotes, care to share some feedback on why you take such an issue with the post?

I did not downvote you, but I can see why some may have. You are seemingly complaining about trading Joey Ortiz, when the O's brought in arguably the best pitcher in the AL this year in Corbin Burnes.  As for Norby and Ortiz both, they could certainly be starting infielders in the All-Star game.  They could also be below-average starters and not last in the league for another 5 years.  It was a hyperbolic post blowing Ortiz and Norby's value out of the water while way underestimating what the O's got for them (especially Burnes). 

[J.D.]

2 minutes ago, dystopia said:

Lol, there is absolutely no comparison at all between these two stats. Wins are largely determined by run support. ERA is an actual reflection of on-field results by definition. 
 

A bad outing is overweighted in ERA just like a great outing would be too. 

Tell me you don't understand the limitations of ERA as a stat without telling me.

[LookitsPuck]

2 minutes ago, emmett16 said:

He’s 26

 

That's from 2021. 

Here's 2022. Pretty close to his 2024. 2023 isn't really useful as it was only 4 starts. I'm pretty bearish on upside. I think his 2024 is who he is. Hopefully I'm wrong. Won't be the first time. 

But key thing here is in 2022 he had fastball velocity going for him. That's not the case in 2024. Maybe he can regain that velocity.

Edited July 30 by LookitsPuck

[J.D.]

3 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Let me put it this way.

I'm sure the scenario I posited has happened at some point.

Some folks sell something for five bucks won't buy it back for 20 even if they need it.

Then they shouldn't be in this business.

[HowAboutThat]

1 hour ago, Explosivo said:

This guy is a former first rounder. Former rookie of the year pitcher. Left hand pitcher in Birdland till 2027. Huge pick up. Last nine starts a little over 3 era. This is exactly what we needed and will be looked at as a huge move as we progress toward one of several World Series opportunities in the next ten years.

 

norby and Stowers did not have a spot on this team. This the virtue of drafting so well you have great players with no actual spots on a 25 man roster.

Dillon Tate is a former first rounder. So was Brian Matusz… John Means was taken in the 11th round. it means absolutely nothing.

[Os4days]

I don’t understand some of you guys … the point of having a great farm system is to add to the big league team or using it for trading for missing pieces. Isn’t it? To me Norby hasn’t shown much more overall than Joey Ortiz who many on here didn’t want to see go. If we didn’t have JH, I could kind of understand but second base is an easy position to replenish. Stowers was never gonna get playing time here.

I get that you wanted a better pitcher than Rogers but we don’t know the asking price from some of these teams. Right now very few teams are looking to trade IMO so guys like Rogers are few and far between, a 26 year old who has pitched over 300 innings and under control for a few years is pricey. Look at what the Marlins are asking for Scott, a rental. 

[PeteCanes]

5 minutes ago, RVAOsFan said:

@riprulz8 @PeteCanes thanks for the downvotes, care to share some feedback on why you take such an issue with the post?

It was worthless enough for a downvote 

[fansince71]

5 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

 

lol Kjerstad can play CF.

[TopGunnar]

21 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Of course he had a choice.

He could have gone big.

But he's risk adverse.  Not the worst thing to be, but a bit boring to watch.

Nobody available is worth giving up Holliday, Basallo or Mayo. 
 

I have no problem with what Elias did. He traded 2 players (who have potential) that are expendable. We’ll see how Rogers performs.

[ChosenOne21]

4 minutes ago, dystopia said:

Lol, there is absolutely no comparison at all between these two stats. Wins are largely determined by run support. ERA is an actual reflection of on-field results by definition. 
 

A bad outing is overweighted in ERA just like a great outing would be too. 

Great outings are overweighted, too, but really bad outings actually are overweighted more because they're farther from the average. If you have a guy with a 4.00 ERA and he throws a perfect game, it will drop his ERA less than giving up 8 runs in 1 inning would increase it.

[Moose Milligan]

4 minutes ago, dystopia said:

That’s pretty generous. 

Had you been a writer for the Athletic you'd have given it an F!  

[terpoh]

15 minutes ago, E-D-D-I-E said:

The Marlins must have agreed because they wanted him. If this was a dump, then Elias really smells bad on this.

I was saying that the Marlins didnt agree that Norby straight up was a fair deal.