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[Can_of_corn]

46 minutes ago, Pickles said:

Did anybody ever actually say that Elias is "infallible?"
 

Or is this just a bunch of beating a straw man into the ground?

Hyperbole.

Look it up.

 

We did have someone who suggested giving him the biggest contact ever for an executive.

[Jagwar]

Really ticks me off that Flaherty figured things out in Dodger blue. We sure could have used this type of pitching last year. 

[Pickles]

2 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Hyperbole.

Look it up.

 

We did have someone who suggested giving him the biggest contact ever for an executive.

So it's "hyperbole" to constantly attribute a fake statement to unnamed opposition and then constantly attack the validity of the fake statement?

Maybe you should break out that dictionary for yourself b/c that's not hyperbole.

As far as Elias, he took a team that was historically awful, in a historically slanted competitive environment, and in a methodical way completely rebuilt the organization from the ground up and made it a cutting edge organization, which culminated in unprecedented success, all while dealing with a cash poor and unstable ownership group.

Yeah, he did a great job.  He did an amazing job.  And he should be compensated at the very highest level, both financially and in freedom to do his job as he sees fit.  And anyone who says differently is a bitter loser who doesn't know what they're talking about.

[Allan Bryant]

1 hour ago, Jagwar said:

Really ticks me off that Flaherty figured things out in Dodger blue. We sure could have used this type of pitching last year. 

Flaherty is doing well with Dodgers after the trade deadline from the Tigers  . Since he was traded and soon a FA , he does not require QO draft pick .  Should the Orioles pursue him or has the bridge burned down between them ?

[Jagwar]

10 hours ago, Allan Bryant said:

Flaherty is doing well with Dodgers after the trade deadline from the Tigers  . Since he was traded and soon a FA , he does not require QO draft pick .  Should the Orioles pursue him or has the bridge burned down between them ?

IMO Flaherty is riskier than the big names available. He's going to cash in on a great year that came after a few meh years.  

[DrinkinWithFermi]

On 10/25/2024 at 5:00 PM, Billy F-Face3 said:

He's always been around 100 RBIs per season, one of the few guys who could actually extend an At Bat and win during a tough battle with a pitcher, key hits, and if it wasn't for Santander then the Orioles would have lost several more games than they did. Santander's timely hits/home runs won them a few games.

You can Box Score Bobby his stat line, but there are some thing just pulling up the box score doesn't show you. He's been pretty under rated as a fielder in RF at Camden Yards too. It's obvious he knows the dimensions with the grounds crew garage better than any active player right now. He's certainly a much better fielder and hitter than Kjerstad is. Kjerstad could become just as good of a hitter but how long is that going to take, and how many runs will it cost the Orioles because he's not that good on defense?

Santander is terrible defensively. 

[Can_of_corn]

20 hours ago, Pickles said:

So it's "hyperbole" to constantly attribute a fake statement to unnamed opposition and then constantly attack the validity of the fake statement?

Maybe you should break out that dictionary for yourself b/c that's not hyperbole.

As far as Elias, he took a team that was historically awful, in a historically slanted competitive environment, and in a methodical way completely rebuilt the organization from the ground up and made it a cutting edge organization, which culminated in unprecedented success, all while dealing with a cash poor and unstable ownership group.

Yeah, he did a great job.  He did an amazing job.  And he should be compensated at the very highest level, both financially and in freedom to do his job as he sees fit.  And anyone who says differently is a bitter loser who doesn't know what they're talking about.

Hyperbole: "exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally."

If you thought I wasn't intentionally exaggerating when I used the word "infallible" I don't know what to tell you.

And yes, it's nonsense that Elias should, at this point, get more compensation than say, Andrew Friedman.  He's not earned that. 

You need to build and sustain before you reach that level, you need to finish.

 

 

[Pickles]

1 hour ago, Can_of_corn said:

Hyperbole: "exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally."

If you thought I wasn't intentionally exaggerating when I used the word "infallible" I don't know what to tell you.

And yes, it's nonsense that Elias should, at this point, get more compensation than say, Andrew Friedman.  He's not earned that. 

You need to build and sustain before you reach that level, you need to finish.

 

 

How many World Series did Andrew Friedman win in Tampa before the Dodgers made him the highest paid executive in baseball?

Your reductionisim of success to "win the World Series" is laughable.  But it explains why you have such a negative outlook on everything.

The fact is, if you were a Dodgers fan, you'd being going insane b/c the Dodgers, with all their resources and advantages, have consistently underperformed in the playoffs under Friedman.

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, Pickles said:

How many World Series did Andrew Friedman win in Tampa before the Dodgers made him the highest paid executive in baseball?

Your reductionisim of success to "win the World Series" is laughable.  But it explains why you have such a negative outlook on everything.

The fact is, if you were a Dodgers fan, you'd being going insane b/c the Dodgers, with all their resources and advantages, have consistently underperformed in the playoffs under Friedman.

That's a false claim.

I will say that in order to be the most highly compensated exec, yea, checking off the box that says won a ring, would be a requirement in my book.

 

Right now Elias has proven to me that he can use a strategy that has since been eliminated to build a very strong farm system and promote RoY level players to the majors.

That's great.

That by itself is not enough for me to think he should be more highly compensated than his peers.

If he can keep the farm system churning out impact guys, if he can navigate the escalating salaries of his core, if he can keep supplementing the core, if he can, yes, have some success in the postseason, he might get to the point in which I think he deserves to be in the inner circle when it comes to compensation.

By no means do I think he's done a poor job, but I don't think he's shown to be an irreplaceable talent that deserves to have the current salary structure blown up over.

[Pickles]

7 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

That's a false claim.

I will say that in order to be the most highly compensated exec, yea, checking off the box that says won a ring, would be a requirement in my book.

 

Right now Elias has proven to me that he can use a strategy that has since been eliminated to build a very strong farm system and promote RoY level players to the majors.

That's great.

That by itself is not enough for me to think he should be more highly compensated than his peers.

If he can keep the farm system churning out impact guys, if he can navigate the escalating salaries of his core, if he can keep supplementing the core, if he can, yes, have some success in the postseason, he might get to the point in which I think he deserves to be in the inner circle when it comes to compensation.

By no means do I think he's done a poor job, but I don't think he's shown to be an irreplaceable talent that deserves to have the current salary structure blown up over.

That's cool that that's your book and all bro, but the actual billionaires who own baseball teams clearly don't give a F about your book.

The Red Sox tried to poach Beane by making him the highest paid executive in baseball without having won a World Series.

The Dodgers did poach Friedman and made him the highest paid executive in baseball without having won a World Series.

And yes, if Elias was on the open market right now, someone would offer him the most money or real close to it and total control because of what he has achieved here, despite not having won a World Series.

And the Baltimore Orioles would be much worse off for it.

We should all hope and pray that Rubenstein appreciates what he has, and when the time comes, pays him at the top of the market to retain him.  Thankfully, from all public statements, that very well seems to be Rubenstein's intention.

Despite your book.

[Can_of_corn]

4 minutes ago, Pickles said:

That's cool that that's your book and all bro, but the actual billionaires who own baseball teams clearly don't give a F about your book.

The Red Sox tried to poach Beane by making him the highest paid executive in baseball without having won a World Series.

The Dodgers did poach Friedman and made him the highest paid executive in baseball without having won a World Series.

And yes, if Elias was on the open market right now, someone would offer him the most money or real close to it and total control because of what he has achieved here, despite not having won a World Series.

And the Baltimore Orioles would be much worse off for it.

We should all hope and pray that Rubenstein appreciates what he has, and when the time comes, pays him at the top of the market to retain him.  Thankfully, from all public statements, that very well seems to be Rubenstein's intention.

Despite your book.

I don't think that's accurate.

I think you are presenting something as fact that is actually simply your personal belief.  Pulling a Wildcard.

Astros didn't fall apart when he left.

 

 

 

[Roll Tide]

22 hours ago, Pickles said:

So it's "hyperbole" to constantly attribute a fake statement to unnamed opposition and then constantly attack the validity of the fake statement?

Maybe you should break out that dictionary for yourself b/c that's not hyperbole.

As far as Elias, he took a team that was historically awful, in a historically slanted competitive environment, and in a methodical way completely rebuilt the organization from the ground up and made it a cutting edge organization, which culminated in unprecedented success, all while dealing with a cash poor and unstable ownership group.

Yeah, he did a great job.  He did an amazing job.  And he should be compensated at the very highest level, both financially and in freedom to do his job as he sees fit.  And anyone who says differently is a bitter loser who doesn't know what they're talking about.

Because he built the organization doesn’t mean he’s capable of finishing the job. I agree He’s fixed the front office that was broken all the way back to 1983. But, I don’t think he’s particularly good at trading. He’s had the Burnes and Eflin trades but the rest of his trading since we’ve been competitive has been pretty bad. So we allegedly have money to spend according to statements by Rubbenstein. So we can see what happens this season. I think it’s foolish to believe he deserves a blank check and a free pass. So to each his own ….

[Can_of_corn]

5 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:

Because he built the organization doesn’t mean he’s capable of finishing the job. I agree He’s fixed the front office that was broken all the way back to 1983. But, I don’t think he’s particularly good at trading. He’s had the Burnes and Eflin trades but the rest of his trading since we’ve been competitive has been pretty bad. So we allegedly have money to spend according to statements by Rubbenstein. So we can see what happens this season. I think it’s foolish to believe he deserves a blank check and a free pass. So to each his own ….

In his predecessors' defense the main issue with the Front office was gone when he arrived.  I think Dan could have made a lot more headway if they had the freedom that Elias had.

[Roll Tide]

4 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

In his predecessors' defense the main issue with the Front office was gone when he arrived.  I think Dan could have made a lot more headway if they had the freedom that Elias had.

I don’t doubt that …but the scouting and development was broken before Peter. But, we had more qualified guys that could’ve done something about it. My main point is I’m not sure he can finish the job and that doesn’t make me a loser. I think it’s perfectly reasonable to be critical of the other deals around the deadline. He vastly overpaid for Rogers, none of the bullpen additions were great and the offensive players were meh …. Outside of Rivera who played way over his head but a repeat performance is highly unlikely. If he’s adverse to spending that Rubenstein makes available I’d see we should move on if there is another post season collapse. I’m willing to wait and see…but I’m far from convinced he’s good enough at trading and free agents to go all the way. I do give him credit for the rebuild…but even a number of his draftees are starting to look like DH/1B types.

[Can_of_corn]

6 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:

I don’t doubt that …but the scouting and development was broken before Peter. But, we had more qualified guys that could’ve done something about it. My main point is I’m not sure he can finish the job and that doesn’t make me a loser. I think it’s perfectly reasonable to be critical of the other deals around the deadline. He vastly overpaid for Rogers, none of the bullpen additions were great and the offensive players were meh …. Outside of Rivera who played way over his head but a repeat performance is highly unlikely. If he’s adverse to spending that Rubenstein makes available I’d see we should move on if there is another post season collapse. I’m willing to wait and see…but I’m far from convinced he’s good enough at trading and free agents to go all the way. I do give him credit for the rebuild…but even a number of his draftees are starting to look like DH/1B types.

If you are resorting to calling other internet conversationalists losers it says something about you.