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JTrea81 Hangout Grand Counsel

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Of course the difference is that Pie has been graded out as a top prospect and plus-plus defender by dozens or hundreds of scouts and different sources and analysts over a period of many years while LH was a little guy with a .580 OPS in AA that sneaked into the bottom of the occasional Atlanta prospect list because he had a glove.

They're as comparable as a moon rock and a platypus.

You just threw offense into the equation. Take offense out and just look at the hype both recieved on OH defensively. I recall people wanting to move Tejada to 3B and play Hernandez just because of his defense. Primarily this is why people wanted to move Luke Scott, because Pie was going to be superior defensively. I think people were more excited about Pie's defense than they were his bat.

That is the situation I am comparing. And the Pie talk seems very familiar to the Hernandez talk of last season. Fortunately for us, we have options so we don't have a revolving door in LF.

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You just threw offense into the equation. Take offense out and just look at the hype both recieved on OH defensively. I recall people wanting to move Tejada to 3B and play Hernandez just because of his defense. Primarily this is why people wanted to move Luke Scott, because Pie was going to be superior defensively. I think people were more excited about Pie's defense than they were his bat.

That is the situation I am comparing. And the Pie talk seems very familiar to the Hernandez talk of last season. Fortunately for us, we have options so we don't have a revolving door in LF.

You are right...It is familiar...You know what else is similar?

Those in favor of LH and his defense and those slamming Pie right now were both totally uninformed...So in that regards, they are the same..I agree.

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What planet are you living on? The defense would be a bonus. In the end it's all about the offense and Pie's ceiling on offense is considerable.

I seem to recall most of the talk was about the OF defense of Pie, Jones and Markakis and how the Pie acquistion fit MacPhail's mantra of pitching and defense...

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I seem to recall most of the talk was about the OF defense of Pie, Jones and Markakis and how the Pie acquistion fit MacPhail's mantra of pitching and defense...
It certainly does fit that mantra. The OF defense will be phenomenal if Pie can stick offensively.

I have zero doubts about his abilities in LF once he gets adjusted. The people that think it is a seamless transition from CF to LF are clueless, it is a difficult switch. LF is easier than CF, but it is still different. It will take some time to adjust.

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I seem to recall most of the talk was about the OF defense of Pie, Jones and Markakis and how the Pie acquistion fit MacPhail's mantra of pitching and defense...

Do you know how ridiculous you sound that you aren't willing to give Pie time to adjust to a new position?

I mean, the whole idea of not giving him time is one of the most idiotic ideas I have ever seen on this board.

Again, 100 games...That is what Cal said it took...And maybe the transition from CF to LF should be quicker but its still a transition and it is still something that takes time..Discounting that is just foolish.

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Why do people keep comparing Pie to Jones and Markakis? He is not in their league. Its just as easy to compare Pie to Patterson or Hammonds.

The reason people compare Pie to Jones is that their MiL careers and early ML careers were quite similar, that's why.

People aren't just making it up. It's based on what they each did prior to showing up here.

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Wow that thread about Jones is pretty eye opening.

Guess I'll try to resolve to keep a little more quiet for the moment. I still like Montanez tho.

Jones who like Pie was also highly touted for his outfield defense never looked as horrendous in the OF as Pie has so far. So there is a huge difference in the comparison, and for the record, Pie's offense (or lack thereof) has never been what disturbs me as we all know it is a big adjustment to hit major league pitching versus minor league pitching. However, there should not be such a problem adjusting to the majors defensively as Pie has been showing. He is a big liability in the outfield right now.

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Jones who like Pie was also highly touted for his outfield defense never looked as horrendous in the OF as Pie has so far. So there is a huge difference in the comparison, and for the record, Pie's offense (or lack thereof) has never been what disturbs me as we all know it is a big adjustment to hit major league pitching versus minor league pitching. However, there should not be such a problem adjusting to the majors defensively as Pie has been showing. He is a big liability in the outfield right now.

Jones looked bad last ST first of all.

Second of all, Jones wasn't asked to switch positions.

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Jones looked bad last ST first of all.

Second of all, Jones wasn't asked to switch positions.

SG -- I expected Pie to have some rough edges making a transition to LF, but I have been pretty surprised at how shaky he has looked out there. I mean, he did play LF all during March. Not to say he won't improve, but the transition has been harder than I expected (and I did not expect perfection).

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SG -- I expected Pie to have some rough edges making a transition to LF, but I have been pretty surprised at how shaky he has looked out there. I mean, he did play LF all during March. Not to say he won't improve, but the transition has been harder than I expected (and I did not expect perfection).

Pie has also made some plays out there that no other LFer on the team would make.

I am not worried about any of this...This board is so impatient and so schizophrenic that everything is blown out of proportion on a dailt basis.

I mean, after Baez pitched 2 games, people were already talking about him being worth a lot at the deadline and things like that...Just absurd.

Its like the NY media has set up shop on OH.

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Pie has also made some plays out there that no other LFer on the team would make.

That's fine but he's botched the routine plays that a LFer like Carlos Lee or Manny Ramirez would make. And he's made more of those botched plays than the plays where he's actually shown his range.

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That's fine but he's botched the routine plays that a LFer like Carlos Lee or Manny Ramirez would make. And he's made more of those botched plays than the plays where he's actually shown his range.

And why do you think he has botched those plays?

Do you think he's not capable of being able to make routine plays?

Or do you think that maybe, just maybe, he hasn't adjusted yet?

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