Why not Holliday?

[waroriole]

It's the no-trade and opt-out demands that totally eliminate him from the plans of any but the richest and most foolish teams. Time to move on.

http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/1779/at-what-cost-holliday

Wow, Neyer has lost it if he thinks Holliday is on a lower tier than Figgins and Zimmerman.

[Lucky Jim]

Wow, Neyer has lost it if he thinks Holliday is on a lower tier than Figgins and Zimmerman.

For a long-term contract, I think Zimmerman is a better bet than Holliday. Not sure where Figgins comes from.

[quidam]

Does anyone's opinion change if instead of going after Holliday for an 8 year $128 million contract to going after Bay for a 4 year $63 million contract?

Those are the reported offers as of now so it is likely that both offers will increase. For example, perhaps 5 years $80 million gets you Bay. Does that change anything?

[JTrea81]

The 8 year offer is apparently not accurate.

Olney says they are sticking to a 5 year offer. My guess it is 5 guaranteed years with options, so something like 5/80 with options to push it to a value of 8/128.

The Orioles could beat this if they wanted to by offering 6/114 with an option year.

[Hank Scorpio]

The 8 year offer is apparently not accurate.

Olney says they are sticking to a 5 year offer. My guess it is 5 guaranteed years with options, so something like 5/80 with options to push it to a value of 8/128.

The Orioles could beat this if they wanted to by offering 6/119 with an option year.

Scott Boras is going to hold out allllllllllllllllllllll winter if the best offer is 5 years, and then the MFY's will swoop in and buy him.

[Mackus]

Does anyone's opinion change if instead of going after Holliday for an 8 year $128 million contract to going after Bay for a 4 year $63 million contract?

Those are the reported offers as of now so it is likely that both offers will increase. For example, perhaps 5 years $80 million gets you Bay. Does that change anything?

You can't be interested in either guy for those big of deals.

Bay is a DH, he doesn't deserve that much money. Holliday is a good player, but having to beat a $128M offer to get him here would be insane. If he would sign here for around $100M I'd do it, but not for $140M+. He's simply not that good and doesn't fill that big of a need for us. If he was a 1B, 3B, or SS with similar value, I'd be more inclined, but he isn't, so I'm not.

[JTrea81]

Scott Boras is going to hold out allllllllllllllllllllll winter if the best offer is 5 years, and then the MFY's will swoop in and buy him.

Probably, but it wouldn't hurt to throw out a 6/114 offer and see what happens.

Maybe the Orioles will be like the Angels at the last second and swoop in and land him...

Or not...

[VTmook213]

The 8 year offer is apparently not accurate.

Olney says they are sticking to a 5 year offer. My guess it is 5 guaranteed years with options, so something like 5/80 with options to push it to a value of 8/128.

The Orioles could beat this if they wanted to by offering 6/114 with an option year.

Wait you want the Orioles to offer 6/114 when the best available offer is 5/80?

And you actually think Holliday is worth 6/114?!

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