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If I am not mistaken, Peterson was the Organizational Director of Pitching Development. But they might mean the same thing.
Peterson was a Director. A Front Office position. So it is very possible that he would not be replaced.

More or less the same thing as MiL pitching coordinator, though Peterson was involved in doing biomechanical analysis even for the major league pitching staff last spring, so in that sense he had more responsibility than past MiL pitching coordinators.

I am not saying that the next person will get the exact same title or status as Peterson. Duquette has proven very adept at handing out titles. But someone will have the job of coordinating the minor league pitchers' development, and will have some title (whether "director" or otherwise) that reflects that.

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So far that tells me nothing. Alan Dunn left the O's to take the job at LSU in June of 2011. So he was minor league pitching instructor from Feb - June of 2011. Before that he was the O's bullpen instructor. Who followed Dunn?

Given that the O's pitching philosophy and developmental structure seemed to be an unholy mess before Peterson, my operating assumption is that an organizational pitching coordinator with responsibilties and power is a really good thing.

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I don't understand why so many people here assume Peterson is the only person capable of implementing a biomechanical program. He did an excellent job with our system, but try to remember that it was Duquette who put Peterson in place and I strongly doubt if we revert back to the way things were before Peterson's arrival.

Peterson was a tool of Duquette's vision, not vice-versa.

DD wanted an organizational program for the pitchers. He chose Peterson, to implement that plan. While DD did hire Peterson, it was Petersons program that was used. If Peterson leaves, we can only hope the organization and the players, doesnt forget what they learned, and doesnt regress backwards.

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Given that the O's pitching philosophy and developmental structure seemed to be an unholy mess before Peterson, my operating assumption is that an organizational pitching coordinator with responsibilties and power is a really good thing.

I see that Mike Schmidt was O's minor league pitching coordinator from 2008-2010. Then Alan Dunn for 5 months before he left. It would appear that Peterson had more power to implement his system across the minors then the other guys did.

I think Peterson has a business were he sells his system to baseball organizations. If the O's think his system is good and want to keep using it, I wonder if the O's make some arrangement to do that even if he goes to the Red Sox?

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I see that Mike Schmidt was O's minor league pitching coordinator from 2008-2010. Then Alan Dunn for 5 months before he left. It would appear that Peterson had more power to implement his system across the minors then the other guys did.

I don't know if Peterson had more power or not, or whether he was just more visible because his philosophy and methods were relatively unusual. I know that when Joe Jordan was the head of amateur scouting, he praised Schmidt on a number of occasions for the job he was doing with the minor league pitchers.

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I don't know if Peterson had more power or not, or whether he was just more visible because his philosophy and methods were relatively unusual. I know that when Joe Jordan was the head of amateur scouting, he praised Schmidt on a number of occasions for the job he was doing with the minor league pitchers.

So the guy who wasted 1st round draft choices on Hobgood and Rowell praised Schmidt. Now there is a reference for you.

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I don't know if Peterson had more power or not, or whether he was just more visible because his philosophy and methods were relatively unusual. I know that when Joe Jordan was the head of amateur scouting, he praised Schmidt on a number of occasions for the job he was doing with the minor league pitchers.

Yeah, but how did those pitchers actually fair? Mostly awful.

Right or wrong, we're all just putting two and two together...

- O's pitching was awful for 14yrs

- O's hire Rick Peterson to take over pitching development (or w/e you want to call it)

- O's pitching dramatically improves, and pitchers we had given up on are suddenly effective major leaguers

- OH cries bloody murder at the idea that Peterson is jumping ship

Makes sense to me. :D

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Duquette brought on Peterson because Peterson's philosophy made sense, was innovative, and could help the Orioles. He didn't hire Peterson to implement Duquette's biomechanical philosophies. My assumption was that he was, more-or-less, buying a canned, off-the-shelf pitching system with the hiring of Peterson.

I'm assuming that Duquette was aware of the biomechanical approach before he hired Peterson and that is was his desire to implement a biomechanical philosophy into the system. He hired Peterson to put his system in place because he wanted to move in the biomechanical direction. I very much doubt that he blindly stumbled across biomechanics when he read a brochure from Peterson.

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If he leaves, let's make sure it's not because of compensation.

My thoughts exactly - I would make it very hard for him to leave, with lots of money and 72 virgins. I mean, whatever it takes. Peterson's approach is all outlined on his website. It's extremely compelling, unusual - and cutting edge. For the first time in awhile, it seems the Orioles latched onto a science-driven phiosophy ahead of some other organizations. It sucks that he's apparently gone. But as others have said, in DD and his chin, we trust. I think that's where he stores all those extra brain cells.

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