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Instead of having Angelos and money questions take over every single thread about an O's move let's just talk about it here. We're all pretty well informed O's fans and I'm interested in hearing things I didn't know/ didn't understand. Start from the basics with the MASN money and the extra 25 million in national money and go from there. I'm just trying to here all sides and opinions. So have at it. All opinions welcome that are within board rules.
Getting back to your original question, if you're interested in what has been said before, here are some old discussions specifically about Angelos:

Peter Angelos: Cheap or Misunderstood?

Poll: Peter Angelos...Good owner or Bad owner.

Angelos article in Baltimore Business Journal "...he's not going to change"

20 Years of Angelos

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It's his bed. He can sleep in it. But no need to beat our own team up for his decision.

I'd imagine he'll be sleeping just fine with that extra 50% in salary he gained by getting his market value. Especially once he gets into Cooperstown. If he signed with the Yankees for a 5-10% bump in salary i'd get the rage. But we're talking almost 50% more. Loyalty only goes so far and is not a one way street.

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Seriously though...this guy's legacy is being a tightwad and meddling owner....with no championships and 15 years of losing.

You would think as you grow older you would reflect and attempt to make amends for past mistakes...

When a whole town and sport would be relieved at new ownership....it speaks volumes.

Loria is the only owner I can think of that is worse.

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Seriously though...this guy's legacy is being a tightwad and meddling owner....with no championships and 15 years of losing.

You would think as you grow older you would reflect and attempt to make amends for past mistakes...

When a whole town and sport would be relieved at new ownership....it speaks volumes.

Loria is the only owner I can think of that is worse.

How many championships does Loria have?

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I'd imagine he'll be sleeping just fine with that extra 50% in salary he gained by getting his market value. Especially once he gets into Cooperstown. If he signed with the Yankees for a 5-10% bump in salary i'd get the rage. But we're talking almost 50% more. Loyalty only goes so far and is not a one way street.

http://www.camdenchat.com/2012/4/4/2922848/the-inevitable-departure-of-mike-mussina

Actually Moose asked for 4 years and 28 million, which was 7 million per year and the market value at the time, set by other signings.

If Peter had agreed to those terms, he probably would have stayed.

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How many championships does Loria have?

Loria's not even the worst owner the Marlins have ever had. That title goes to Wayne Huzengia, whose dismantling of the 1997 team was damn near criminal. The only owner in all of team sports I can think of worse than Huzeinga was Bob Irsay.

That being said, 2003 team and all, Loria's pretty damn bad.

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Loria's not even the worst owner the Marlins have ever had. That title goes to Wayne Huzengia, whose dismantling of the 1997 team was damn near criminal. The only owner in all of team sports I can think of worse than Huzeinga was Bob Irsay.

That being said, 2003 team and all, Loria's pretty damn bad.

Actually, the worse owner in all time would be Bob Short, but you got to be an old school guy to remember him.

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The primary mission for the Orioles is to maximize ROI, P/L, and keep a clean balance sheet while minimizing long term liabilities. This franchise is run to behave as an optimal investment, ready for sale. In baseball terms, it means we are what we are in regards to payroll.

I don't have any expectation we'd offer anything more than a 6 year deal to any player, and no contracts worth over $100 million. Any player that is looking for more than either of those parameters should be considered as completely off limits if they are a free agent, and a player that needs to be traded 2+ years before they are eligible for free agency if the are an Oriole. For pitchers, those years are even fewer. With that in mind, I think we'll see more Bedard/Johnson type moves than we'll see meaningful free agent acquisitions.

One day, the Orioles will be put up for sale. I imagine it will be a publicly marketed sale much like the one Angelos won. It will be a special breed of infuriating when the O's market the team's sale as a cash cow/large market Mid-Atlantic team with its own media network, after years of pinching pennies and behaving like a small market organization that is forced to share a network and fan base with another team.

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Snyder is far from perfect. But, in his case, he is trying to learn how to be a good owner. He has taken a back seat and let the professionals run the team. One thing is, you can't question his love and zeal for the team. Which Angelos has zero.

Snyder made his $$$ elsewhere and continues too. His main goal with the Redskins is not to make more $$$$, but win championships. Something Angelos will never ever understand.

Seriously? Snyder's money maker is the 'Skins as he has hard salary cap. So when the 'Skins bring in more and more money.. that goes to Snyder's pocket because the NFL has that hard salary cap.

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Seriously? Snyder's money maker is the 'Skins as he has hard salary cap. So when the 'Skins bring in more and more money.. that goes to Snyder's pocket because the NFL has that hard salary cap.

Sndyer made his multi-millions long before the Redskins, and the Redskins owe their own stadium, so where there is improvements made, and the team pays for it, themselves, and not from the tax payers.

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Moose wanted to sign in the Spring before the season started. Angelos nickle and dimed him, like always, trying to get yet ANOTHER hometown discount. Angelos didn't up the offer until after the season and after New York started winking at Moose. The Mussina situation is the one thing that I will never, ever defend Angelos or the Orioles for. He would have been a lifelong Oriole had Peter not gotten cheap with him.

No, I get that. Moose wanted to sign in the spring, PA wanted to wait. That's basic 101 tactics. It happens. If Moose got pissy about that then he never wanted to stay an O. The Orioles offered him 5/60.Yankees loaded up on a back end deal. O's would have done the same but the numbers would have matched the Yankees in the first 4 years. It was the 5th and 6th year that was the killer. Yankees threw out $19M a year those years and that's what Moose wanted.

O's offered him a very fair deal with a 5/60 at the time.

Moose didn't want to be an O. He wanted rings.

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Resisted temptation? 28.5 million goes well beyond a home team discount when it's nearly 50% more. Almost like people hating Tex for taking over a 100 million more.

It comes down to the 6th year. The 6th year was $19M. Moose could have signed the 5 year deal and still got massively paid his next contract with or without the O's.

Tex was always a risk. I didn't want him to be with the O's and was glad some sucker spent stupid money for his failures.

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Sndyer made his multi-millions long before the Redskins, and the Redskins owe their own stadium, so where there is improvements made, and the team pays for it, themselves, and not from the tax payers.

Yes, he was worth about $300m, But Snyder bought the 'Skins with loans. About $500 million worth. By 2003, he sold 35% of the 'Skins to 3 investors for $450m to pay down/off the loans. But don't get me wrong, He's a businessman first and a Redskins fan second. If Fed Ex backs out of it's deal with the 'Skins because of the name.. you bet your ass he's changing the name.

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Is there a worse owner in MLB? Maybe Loria but it's close.

Loria almost became the Owner of the O's in 1993. It was Angelos and Co. that outbid him. If Loria got the O's they would have been in Florida by 1995. So it really comes down to.. did you want to O's to stay in Baltimore or did you want to support the Florida Marlins.

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