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Camden_yardbird Hangout Grand Counsel

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Also lost at the tail end of this piece is that the Orioles would also like to add another more experienced back up catching option.

The article list Olivo, Buck and McKenry as options with the Orioles focus being on Mike "The Fort" McKenry. The Pirates traded for Buck after an injury ended McKenry's season last year. Having seen him play I like McKenry, he yells blue collar player. Decent defense, okay bat and some reasonable power. At the same time I would love to see the Orioles try and develop some internal talent. As little as the backup gets used, I don't think that would be a detriment for the Orioles.

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I'm ok with Hunter/O'Day attempting to close games, but if that's the case, they really need to sign another reliever to shore up the 7th/8th innings or for bullpen depth in general.

They already signed that Ryan Webb guy with the smoking hot girlfriend. Also they have Stinson and Steve Johnson. Another depth guy wouldn't make much sense unless it was a true closer, and those guys (Mujica, Joe Smith) are gone or have question marks (Balfour, Rodney).

I like the idea of sticking with what we have in the bullpen IF doing so allows us to sign Garza. Garza is the guy for us because he does not cost a pick.

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That's true as well. Some of the Orioles' strategies make sense on a micro level, but in the big-picture view, they all seem to be adding up to "Let's not do much of anything."

Dan seems to be going all-in on trusting player development. It's true that if the Orioles can develop players better than their competition then they can be successful. Whether or not he can actually do it remains to be seen.

We do seem to have more breakout players than in the past. Tillman, Davis, and Machado are the notable ones. I don't know how much credit Dan deserves for those guys though. Probably not a whole lot.

I'll be watching how the current top prospects develop and judging Dan based on that. If he says our minor league system is going to be our main source of new players, he'd better back that up.

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I seen so much about how we have to sign Garza, or else.

There is so much hype about the guy, you would think he was a great TOR and first round lock for HOF.

He has a 8 year career, with a 67-67 record and 3.84.

Granted, I have been told, wins are not everything.

I see a strikeout pitcher that can give up the HR ball.

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I seen so much about how we have to sign Garza, or else.

There is so much hype about the guy, you would think he was a great TOR and first round lock for HOF.

He has a 8 year career, with a 67-67 record and 3.84.

Granted, I have been told, wins are not everything.

I see a strikeout pitcher that can give up the HR ball.

Correction: Wins are not anything. Especially when you've spent much of the last 2 years on a terrible Cubs team.

Nobody's saying Garza is a Hall of Famer, but he's a high strikeout pitcher (as you mentioned) who just turned 30 and has years of experience pitching well in the AL East. And unlike Jimenez and E.Santana, he won't cost a draft pick.

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Here is the link.

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/49787/mlb-insider-keith-law

love your stuff! does tanaka propel the yanks to "legit world series contender"? also, if you were a gm, how much would you pay for him? having no draft pick compensation attached to him is great, but you're still potentially paying $100+M for an unknown commodity.

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Propels them to legit division title contender, but still not the favorites in my view. That said, he's pretty much the only great option available to them to make their team more than a win or so better for 2014. Santana's not a great fit, Garza's medicals are apparently scaring teams off, and I have no idea what to make of Ubaldo.

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Correction: Wins are not anything. Especially when you've spent much of the last 2 years on a terrible Cubs team.

Nobody's saying Garza is a Hall of Famer, but he's a high strikeout pitcher (as you mentioned) who just turned 30 and has years of experience pitching well in the AL East. And unlike Jimenez and E.Santana, he won't cost a draft pick.

Teams decide to move on for lots of reasons, but Garza DID cost Texas trade pieces and despite what would be reasonable salary demands, they aren't interested in signing him. Kind of a flag for me.

Burnett/Arroyo/Hammel (two of 3) are great for me. BP arms are available in late spring training. I'd like another bat of some sort as well but given that I can't figure out exactly who, I'll leave that to Buck and DD's judgement.

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The 2012 Jim Johnson trade will be to the Orioles what the 2012 Anquan Boldin trade was to the Ravens. We will revisit this pain point and poor decision with every blown save and failed closer. Trading wins for losses just because a player doesn't fall within some budgetary standard...

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Correction: Wins are not anything. Especially when you've spent much of the last 2 years on a terrible Cubs team.

Nobody's saying Garza is a Hall of Famer, but he's a high strikeout pitcher (as you mentioned) who just turned 30 and has years of experience pitching well in the AL East. And unlike Jimenez and E.Santana, he won't cost a draft pick.

He was 4-5 last year for a playoff contender last year.

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The 2012 Jim Johnson trade will be to the Orioles what the 2012 Anquan Boldin trade was to the Ravens. We will revisit this pain point and poor decision with every blown save and failed closer. Trading wins for losses just because a player doesn't fall within some budgetary standard...

I'm not sure one great year (with a disappointing postseason) and one disappointing year makes JJ a good comp with Boldin.

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The 2012 Jim Johnson trade will be to the Orioles what the 2012 Anquan Boldin trade was to the Ravens. We will revisit this pain point and poor decision with every blown save and failed closer. Trading wins for losses just because a player doesn't fall within some budgetary standard...

I agree and disagree. While I liked JJ, spending that much money on a closer isn't a good use of funds for any team, unless that closer is one of the truly elites in the game, and those are few and far between. However, I do think the odds are decent that Orioles fans are going to see that they didn't know how good they had with Johnson by the end of the 2014 season.

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