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Being a first round pick and a top prospect gets you a lot of rope to fail over and over again. Pearce is not a valuable player by any means. He's still a better option than Young.

Young hasn't failed. When he gets a 100 plus games he puts up good numbers. People forget he was 2nd in RoY voting in 2007, 10th in MVP voting in 2010. He was ALCS MVP in 2012. He was a Yankee killer. He carried the Tigers offensively during the ALCS and did more then his weight in the World Series. Tigers stars were nowhere to be found.

Young is a guy you want on your team if you are in the playoffs. He has some massive numbers in recent years and when he gets hot, he gets hot.

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For the cost of the contract.. it's possible. It's also possible despite the cost of the contract Young has a better line then Corey Hart. But it's also possible Corey Hart has an MVP season at DH. But I think they'll be pretty close on slash line if they both play 140 games or more.

I hope so and in a vacuum, I like the Young deal since its a MiL contract. However, history would suggest that Hart has the better slash. Before his injury, he OPS'ed .865, .866, and .841 playing against both righties and lefties. Young has been mostly in the .600s and .700s for career OPS, with his highest coming in 2010 at .826.

I think no matter how you slice it, Hart would have been a stronger option.

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I hope so and in a vacuum, I like the Young deal since its a MiL contract. However, history would suggest that Hart has the better slash. Before his injury, he OPS'ed .865, .866, and .841 playing against both righties and lefties. Young has been mostly in the .600s and .700s for career OPS, with his highest coming in 2010 at .826.

I think no matter how you slice it, Hart would have been a stronger option.

Hart was playing in the NL central. Not alot of pitching good to great pitching staffs outside of the Cards. AL West pitching is tougher. So it's how he'll adjust to facing Darvish, Holland, Weaver, Wilson, Griffin, and Parker. Then that sleeper that tends to pop up each year.

Most of Young's career is in AL East and Central. Pitching in those two divisions is ahead of NL central during his time playing. His rookie year he was facing the best pitching possible in my opinion. AL East and AL as whole in 2007 was some really good to great pitching.

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Hart was playing in the NL central. Not alot of pitching good to great pitching staffs outside of the Cards. AL West pitching is tougher. So it's how he'll adjust to facing Darvish, Holland, Weaver, Wilson, Griffin, and Parker. Then that sleeper that tends to pop up each year.

Most of Young's career is in AL East and Central. Pitching in those two divisions is ahead of NL central during his time playing. His rookie year he was facing the best pitching possible in my opinion. AL East and AL as whole in 2007 was some really good to great pitching.

That doesn't atone for 100-point difference in OPS. Hart is the better player, plus he doesn't come with the plethora of question marks.

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Young hasn't failed. When he gets a 100 plus games he puts up good numbers. People forget he was 2nd in RoY voting in 2007, 10th in MVP voting in 2010. He was ALCS MVP in 2012. He was a Yankee killer. He carried the Tigers offensively during the ALCS and did more then his weight in the World Series. Tigers stars were nowhere to be found.

Young is a guy you want on your team if you are in the playoffs. He has some massive numbers in recent years and when he gets hot, he gets hot.

Yes, that would be his agent's spin on things. The more accurate take is that he's been worth 1.5 wins in about 4000 PAs, and is a bad fielder at a non-premium position. Oh... and he's repeatedly found himself in self-destructive situations.

His only plausible role on a good team is as a strict platoon DH against lefties.

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Young hasn't failed. When he gets a 100 plus games he puts up good numbers. People forget he was 2nd in RoY voting in 2007, 10th in MVP voting in 2010. He was ALCS MVP in 2012. He was a Yankee killer. He carried the Tigers offensively during the ALCS and did more then his weight in the World Series. Tigers stars were nowhere to be found.

Young is a guy you want on your team if you are in the playoffs. He has some massive numbers in recent years and when he gets hot, he gets hot.

Young has failed, and pretty miserably. He has a negative career WAR. He has put up good numbers in exactly one year where he had over 100 games, and he was still only at 1.6 fWAR which is a borderline starter. You say Pearce is a platoon player? Young isn't? Career .709 vs RHP and .812 vs LHP. Just because he hasn't been platooned enough doesn't mean he isn't a platoon player. The playoff numbers are such a small sample it's hard to give them much weight at all.

Young's last 3 years:

.268/.302/.393

.267/.296/.411

.260/.307/.407

That's awful coming from a guy who can't do anything else.

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Steve Pearce is making $850,000 this year. Delmon's deal is laced with incentives such as plate appearances. If he's getting those plate appearances it means he's doing a "good" job at the plate as there is Pearce, Riemold and others who can DH if need be. So let's remember that.

Steve Pearce has yet to play more then 62 games in a season. He's a platoon player. So we don't have a huge sample size of his fielding abilities. Young commits an error about once every 20.5 games after playing 799 games in the OF. Pearce is once every 21 games in 210 games played. So it's big unknown how well Pearce is as a fielder. If his stats are say once in 21 games.. that's not a huge difference from Young.

Yes, there is range issue. But Young's range numbers are the same park as Nate McClouth and Nick Markakis..

I'm not convinced of this. Getting plate appearances doesn't necessarily mean you're earning them. Brian Roberts got those starts last year because he was doing a good job? What about Vlad Guerrero? Young will probably get them because he has a name as a former top prospect even though he has shown he is worth less than nothing. Errors? Really? Yes, we don't have a great sample on Steve Pearce but I'm confident he's better than the -19 UZR and -5.3 DRS avg Young's put up the last 3 years in the outfield.

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I'm not convinced of this. Getting plate appearances doesn't necessarily mean you're earning them. Brian Roberts got those starts last year because he was doing a good job? What about Vlad Guerrero? Young will probably get them because he has a name as a former top prospect even though he has shown he is worth less than nothing. Errors? Really? Yes, we don't have a great sample on Steve Pearce but I'm confident he's better than the -19 UZR and -5.3 DRS avg Young's put up the last 3 years in the outfield.

There are 168 OF/DHs with 1000+ PAs since 2007. Young is 155th in rWAR.

Expand to 2000 PAs and only Mark Teahen has been less productive.

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Hart was playing in the NL central. Not alot of pitching good to great pitching staffs outside of the Cards. AL West pitching is tougher. So it's how he'll adjust to facing Darvish, Holland, Weaver, Wilson, Griffin, and Parker. Then that sleeper that tends to pop up each year.

Most of Young's career is in AL East and Central. Pitching in those two divisions is ahead of NL central during his time playing. His rookie year he was facing the best pitching possible in my opinion. AL East and AL as whole in 2007 was some really good to great pitching.

So you are happier that the team signed Young than you would be if they had signed Hart?

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I'm not convinced of this. Getting plate appearances doesn't necessarily mean you're earning them. Brian Roberts got those starts last year because he was doing a good job? What about Vlad Guerrero? Young will probably get them because he has a name as a former top prospect even though he has shown he is worth less than nothing. Errors? Really? Yes, we don't have a great sample on Steve Pearce but I'm confident he's better than the -19 UZR and -5.3 DRS avg Young's put up the last 3 years in the outfield.

Brian Roberts also had an OPS 50 points higher than Flash and 150 points higher than Casilla.

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Young has failed, and pretty miserably. He has a negative career WAR. He has put up good numbers in exactly one year where he had over 100 games, and he was still only at 1.6 fWAR which is a borderline starter. You say Pearce is a platoon player? Young isn't? Career .709 vs RHP and .812 vs LHP. Just because he hasn't been platooned enough doesn't mean he isn't a platoon player. The playoff numbers are such a small sample it's hard to give them much weight at all.

Young's last 3 years:

.268/.302/.393

.267/.296/.411

.260/.307/.407

That's awful coming from a guy who can't do anything else.

Improved every year.

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Brian Roberts also had an OPS 50 points higher than Flash and 150 points higher than Casilla.

Brian Roberts finished the season very well and raised it quite a bit. He struggled mightily for a while. Regardless, my point still stands. Just because a guys is getting playing time doesn't mean he's playing well.

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The first thing I thought when this signing happened is that "we're getting one of the worst bodies in baseball." Plus, he's a but of a jerk. But he's in shape apparently, and will be playing for a better contract somewhere next year. But he'll have to have a really good spring I would think to make the team.

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Yes, that would be his agent's spin on things. The more accurate take is that he's been worth 1.5 wins in about 4000 PAs, and is a bad fielder at a non-premium position. Oh... and he's repeatedly found himself in self-destructive situations.

His only plausible role on a good team is as a strict platoon DH against lefties.

Not spin, those were facts.

And he was the exclusive DH for the Tigers in 2012. So he can hit both lefties and righties.

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