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I mean, I'm not calling him names. I'm calling his statements what they are: stupid. LOL.

Sorry, not all opinions should be treated equally.

Part of the problem is the idea that save % is a particularly good way to evaluate a closer.

It isn't.

You mean saves are not a good way to evaluate a relief pitcher right?

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Could you please stop with the name-calling? I disagree strongly with weams on this topic, but calling his opinions "moronic" and "collosally stupid" is unnecessary.

I think we all understand that an 84.7% save rate is a little below average for a closer and that you wouldn't pay $10 mm if that's what you thought you were going to get. I have a much higher degree of confidence that JJ will exceed that in 2014 than that Kevin Gregg would. But I still wouldn't want to pay him $10 mm to try, if I had other things to spend that $10 mm on. My problem is, we haven't spent it. I'd rather have JJ closing in that scenario.

Well you know we have had this back and forth since we sat beside eachouther while JJ blew our three run lead. And I know I am out there on this. I know Jim will be better than an 84% closer this year. For us or for Oakland. It just makes sense. Relieves vary from year to year. It's a contract year. and Jim is not a bad pitcher. I was just done with him as an every opportunity closer. Even if he blew the last three in a row.

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You're such a blind homer that you'll distort reality to fit your agenda.

It's sad.

Wait - you're the one that is refusing to admit that Johnson had a terrible year last year. I mean, he led the league in blown saves, he looked really shaky up there at times.

He had a bad year, that is incontrovertible fact - I mean that is math. Even Weams said that JJ was twice the closer Gregg was (just not last year) and you called it "insanity."

Here's the thing pickle - JJ had a bad year. It probably cost him his job here, deal with it.

When you saunter on in here and start going after one of the most senior posters here, who for years has shown nothing but even handed analysis and is easily one of the most valuable people here and you insult him and call him a giant homer?

I can't stand for it.

Everyone knows that I am the biggest homer here - and that is a role I value and hold dear and I will be damned - DAMNED SIR - to let you just start throwing that label around anywhere.

Hit the bricks for a week there kiddo, lurk around and learn a thing, let the adults have a conversation for a minute while you learn your manners.

Good day, sir.

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Fun discourse. But this thread supposed to be about Dan! And how he is not allowed to do anything. My bad for derailing it. Or someone who said the could hit a homer did. One of us.
That was an apology? Looks pretty snarky to me.
You are right. More sincerely this time.

Encore !!! Encore !!!

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I mean, I'm not calling him names. I'm calling his statements what they are: stupid. LOL.

Sorry, not all opinions should be treated equally.

You're such a blind homer that you'll distort reality to fit your agenda.

It's sad.

Yeah, no personal insults there! That's the context in which you then accused weams of homerism and called his opinions moronic, garbage, and colossally stupid. And in my opinion, this hyperbole detracts from the substantive points you are trying to make, which I mostly agree with.

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What Burnett fiasco? He wanted to stay in the NL. As for this report it is best to

take it with a grain of salt. IMO

Fiasco is the posters here that immediately blamed DD/PA and/or that the O's were lying re: making a decent offer or one at all...

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Wait - you're the one that is refusing to admit that Johnson had a terrible year last year. I mean, he led the league in blown saves, he looked really shaky up there at times.

He had a bad year, that is incontrovertible fact - I mean that is math. Even Weams said that JJ was twice the closer Gregg was (just not last year) and you called it "insanity."

Here's the thing pickle - JJ had a bad year. It probably cost him his job here, deal with it.

When you saunter on in here and start going after one of the most senior posters here, who for years has shown nothing but even handed analysis and is easily one of the most valuable people here and you insult him and call him a giant homer?

I can't stand for it.

Everyone knows that I am the biggest homer here - and that is a role I value and hold dear and I will be damned - DAMNED SIR - to let you just start throwing that label around anywhere.

Hit the bricks for a week there kiddo, lurk around and learn a thing, let the adults have a conversation for a minute while you learn your manners.

Good day, sir.

50 saves and a 140 ERA+ is hardly a "terrible year".

I'll repeat that: The man prevented runs at a 40% rate greater than the average pitcher.

By what- yes, insane- definition is that "terrible?"

And I'm sure weams appreciates your defense of his "even handedness", though twice, in as many days, he's made statements, here about JJ and yesterday about the Nationals, that he's later backed off from, because they were made with emotion and not rationality. So maybe you shouldn't defend him more vigorously than he defends himself in that regards.

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Yeah, no personal insults there! That's the context in which you then accused weams of homerism and called his opinions moronic, garbage, and colossally stupid. And in my opinion, this hyperbole detracts from the substantive points you are trying to make, which I mostly agree with.

You know, I kinda did too. I was making a point. Which is not supported in fact. That it was time, for Jim Johnson. To go.

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50 saves and a 140 ERA+ is hardly a "terrible year".

I'll repeat that: The man prevented runs at a 40% rate greater than the average pitcher.

By what- yes, insane- definition is that "terrible?"

And I'm sure weams appreciates your defense of his "even handedness", though twice, in as many days, he's made statements, here about JJ and yesterday about the Nationals, that he's later backed off from, because they were made with emotion and not rationality. So maybe you shouldn't defend him more vigorously than he defends himself in that regards.

Every bit of your defense of Jim is true. If he is not used as an exclusive closer. On a team that reached the playoffs on the wings of his outrageously lucky season the year before. I loved Jim in 2012. I did not in 2013.

Oh, no. I never backed off from my Nationals vitrol. I just took it off the board.

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The thing that makes me look at this tweet squinty-eyed, we also have word that the Orioles made "multiple" (and one would think) legitimate and real offers to Burnett - which must have been in the area of 12-14 million dollars.

Now PA "won't authorize" the dollar amount for Morales.

For both of these things to be true then:

1) Morales is asking for a SIGNIFICANT amount of money, higher in dollars and years than Burnett.

2) PA was willing to go short term/ high dollars for Burnett - for some reason only he will ever understand - but not for anyone else.

or

One of these tweets is inaccurate in some way.

You decide.

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50 saves and a 140 era+ is hardly a "terrible year".

I'll repeat that: The man prevented runs at a 40% rate greater than the average pitcher.

By what- yes, insane- definition is that "terrible?"

and i'm sure weams appreciates your defense of his "even handedness", though twice, in as many days, he's made statements, here about jj and yesterday about the nationals, that he's later backed off from, because they were made with emotion and not rationality. So maybe you shouldn't defend him more vigorously than he defends himself in that regards.

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