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That's the problem. If you play it safe and wait for him to establish his value beyond a shred of doubt, you miss the window where he has an incentive to take a team friendly dollar amount in exchange for job security. 3/$24M might seem like a risk now, but if he has another good year, all of a sudden his value will jump to 3/$45M. I am open to extending Pearce now if the price is right. Figure out a middle ground between his previous years and 2014 and see if he would be interested in extending for 3-4 years in that range.

You have to understand, he is already at an advanced age and he is only making $3M. If he gets hurt or regresses, he could easily be out of baseball. He has every incentive in the world to agree to a team friendly deal with a guaranteed payout.

What this guy said. :thumbsup1:

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Bumping this due to Steve's strong spring. Any takers?
Steve Pearce is one of my favorite Orioles. I think that they should extend him well before the off-season FA period. Perhaps begin some feelers, then see how he is doing in May or June, then, unless he is performing horribly, have some serious talks about extending him for around 3 years.
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I'm not sure he'd bite on a 3/24. He made a major adjustment to his approach/swing (more closed stance) last year and it worked wonders. And it looks like it's still working (spring numbers). If I were his agent I'd tell him to gamble on another season to see if he can hit the massive payday. I think he'll take the wait and see approach and I think he will get paid. The time to extend him at a bargain passed last year.

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I'm not sure he'd bite on a 3/24. He made a major adjustment to his approach/swing (more closed stance) last year and it worked wonders. And it looks like it's still working (spring numbers). If I were his agent I'd tell him to gamble on another season to see if he can hit the massive payday. I think he'll take the wait and see approach and I think he will get paid. The time to extend him at a bargain passed last year.

I'd disagree. Steve has never made any money. He has been DFA's and released too many times. He's love to set himself up. I be he never thought he would make 5 million playing this game. He's not a youngster. I'd think you could get him for less. And he's be happy.

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I'd disagree. Steve has never made any money. He has been DFA's and released too many times. He's love to set himself up. I be he never thought he would make 5 million playing this game. He's not a youngster. I'd think you could get him for less. And he's be happy.

Agree with this. Was talking about this subject with a family member this past weekend and my stance was that Steve would love settling for a few years at a AAV of 5M. I'm fairly confident he would love to get the mental stress of trying to replicate 2014 off his back. He likes Bmore, he likes Buck and his teammates. I think he's solid. I'd happily hand him 3 for 15M

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DD has made it a habit not to sign mid 30's guy unless he really has to (Hardy). A three year deal for Pearce would be ages 33-35. I doubt DD does that.

If Pearce has a good first half. Let's say 840 OPS or better. Then DD may offer him 2/16m with a club option for 2018. I think 2/10m is way too low for this production level as a free agent.

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Put me in the group that thinks Pearce would be willing to sign a team friendly deal that wouldn't cause a lot of pain going forward even if his production drops off.

Anyone who thinks he will get a mega deal, even with a good 2015 has a whole lot of journeyman AAAA stigma to overcome. I bet Steve would be happy with a 2 year 12 million dollar deal.

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2015/16 FA 1B

First Basemen

Jeff Baker (35)

Chris Davis (30)

Edwin Encarnacion (33) – $10MM club option with a $2MM buyout

Garrett Jones (35)

Justin Morneau (35) – $9MM mutual option with a $750K buyout

Mike Napoli (34)

Sean Rodriguez (31)

That list looks unimpressive, especially knowing Toronto will pick up Encarnacion's option.

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Steve Pearce, the O's 2016 1B. I would much rather give Steve 3/24, than give Davis 5/100. Unless Davis totally tanks, he's going to get paid somewhere.

What are the other FA options? I'm not sold on Walker, he seems like a AAAA player.

Chris Parmelee, Justin Smoak, Mike McDade, Ryan Lavarnway

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Chris Parmelee, Justin Smoak, Mike McDade, Ryan Lavarnway

... and Christian Walker.

Why not offer Pearce a deal that offers him a low but fair base and allows him to earn a lot more depending on how many PA's he gets? Something like 3/14 guaranteed with incentives that could make it as much as 3/20.

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I suggested a 5/15 or as much as 3/21 starting this season. The longer we go, the tougher it will be to sign him to a team friendly contract, assuming he hits again.

3 million a year or 7 million a year? That's quite a spread. Did you mean something else?

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