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Chris Tillman Today 2015

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LookitsPuck Hangout Grand Counsel

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Sabermetrics has never been particularly fond of the guy. Is this the year the wheels finally come off for Tillman?

Sabermetrics predicting a downfall has nothing to do with an increased hit rate and walk rate. That's just bad pitching. Something is wrong.

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Sabermetrics predicting a downfall has nothing to do with an increased hit rate and walk rate. That's just bad pitching. Something is wrong.

It kinda does. The metrics show he went in the wrong direction last year. Went from a 4+ WAR player to a mid 2 WAR player. This year has just been a continuance of that. So if you subscribe to the metrics, his season isn't as shocking as it would be to others.

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It kinda does. The metrics show he went in the wrong direction last year. Went from a 4+ WAR player to a mid 2 WAR player. This year has just been a continuance of that. So if you subscribe to the metrics' date=' his season isn't as shocking as it would be to others.[/quote']

It still doesn't explain the increased walk rate, as stated. His command is not good at all right now.

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It kinda does. The metrics show he went in the wrong direction last year. Went from a 4+ WAR player to a mid 2 WAR player. This year has just been a continuance of that. So if you subscribe to the metrics' date=' his season isn't as shocking as it would be to others.[/quote']

Not sure what metrics you're talking about outside of WAR. He's been mostly the same guy from 2012-2014 with some improvements/regression each year. This year his WHIP is outrageous, though. The walk rate is abysmal.

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Maybe getting Wieters back will help him figure things out, but Wieters has been with the club a fair amount of the season and it doesn't seemed to have helped. Maybe not having Hundley around has been detrimental, but than again, if it has he needs to get over it. All I know is, put postseason aside, the Orioles will struggle to remain competitive if two of their starters keep pitching like this. If Norris is bad you can solve that, they got around Ubaldo last year and you can always stash Norris in the pen and slot in Wright or Gausman. But if Tillman doesn't turn it around, it's going to be a rough couple of months.

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Melewski makes a good observation:

Tillman a had very rough four-start stretch last season and it came right at this time. From May 21-June 5, 2014 Tillman pitched 14 1/3 innings, allowing 23 hits and 20 runs. It was a stunningly bad stretch when he failed to get an out in the second inning in two of those outings.

He recovered from that to pitch to an ERA of 2.38 over his last 21 starts last year. Can he bounce back to pitch that well again? Can he even return to a form that will lead him to similar stats to his 2014 totals?

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Maybe getting Wieters back will help him figure things out, but Wieters has been with the club a fair amount of the season and it doesn't seemed to have helped. Maybe not having Hundley around has been detrimental, but than again, if it has he needs to get over it. All I know is, put postseason aside, the Orioles will struggle to remain competitive if two of their starters keep pitching like this. If Norris is bad you can solve that, they got around Ubaldo last year and you can always stash Norris in the pen and slot in Wright or Gausman. But if Tillman doesn't turn it around, it's going to be a rough couple of months.

He has a lot of confidence when Wieters is catching him. Can't hurt.

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19 OUTS: 9 Groundouts (Including 1 Double Play), 4 Flyouts, 3 Strikeouts, 2 Popouts

CHRIS TILLMAN O(vs. INDIANS, 6/05)

IP:. 6.33

H:;; 6 (1 Double, 5 Singles)

R:l) 2

BB: 3

SO: 3

Pitches: 101 (64 Strikes, 37 Balls)

2015 ERA: 5.61

PITCHES BY INNING

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11 (61 Strikes, 51 Balls)

12 (10 Strikes, 21 Balls)

22 (12 Strikes, 10 Balls)

21 (12 Strikes, 91 Balls)

21 (13 Strikes, 81 Balls)

11 (91 Strikes, 21 Balls)

31 (21 Strikes, 11 Balls) *

* Tillman recorded 1 out before departing in the 7th inning.

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17 OUTS: 6 Groundouts, 6 Flyouts, 2 Strikeouts, 2 Popouts, 1 Lineout

CHRIS TILLMAN O(vs. RED SOX, 6/11)

IP:. 5.67

H:;; 5 (2 Doubles, 3 Singles)

R:l) 4

BB: 2

SO: 2

Pitches: 107 (68 Strikes, 39 Balls)

2015 ERA: 5.68

PITCHES BY INNING

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15 (10 Strikes, 5 Balls)

14 (91 Strikes, 5 Balls)

12 (81 Strikes, 4 Balls)

23 (14 Strikes, 9 Balls)

21 (14 Strikes, 7 Balls)

22 (13 Strikes, 9 Balls) *

* Tillman recorded 2 outs before departing in the 6th inning.

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