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Herman Major Leaguer Cup of Coffee

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It would make things more difficult. But just remember, the Orioles' opening day starter in 2012 was Jake Arrieta. Arrieta finished the year 3-9 with a 6.20 and the O's made the playoffs for the first time in 14 years.

Speaking of Arrieta, he is the classic case of a player who needed a change of scenery

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Not sure I agree with that statement honestly. How many games down the stretch would we have possibly lost without Miller coming through in many high leverage situations? How many more innings and games would O'day had to pitch in to compensate? How would that affect the entire bullpen? I'm not saying the Orioles would not have won it without him, but am I saying having three shutdown relievers in your bullpen makes a team much stronger than two.
WE had three, you want 4. Fine but not at 8 M per. We were 60 and 47 when we got Miller. If we hadn't and just played .500 the rest of the way we would have finished with 88 W, still enough to win the division.
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If Cruz was willing to go month-to-month on his contract I think everyone on the board would have been all in. Most people were worried about the last couple years, not what he would do this season (although most people thought a regression was very likely, as few players improve on career seasons at age 35).

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If Cruz was willing to go month-to-month on his contract I think everyone on the board would have been all in. Most people were worried about the last couple years, not what he would do this season (although most people thought a regression was very likely, as few players improve on career seasons at age 35).

3 Mil a month. Month By Month. Renewable. Forever. All in.

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It's almost as though we're in the pre-internet era, and there's isn't a Baseball-Reference or Fangraphs where you can look up the fact that Nelson Cruz was worth about 4 wins total from 2011-2013. It's amazing that so many people think it's always been a given that Cruz would be an MVP candidate this year. In 2012 Cruz, playing 159 games, was worth less than Nate McLouth or Manny Machado playing 50-some games. In 2013 he was (Literally! No exaggeration!) worth about as much as Ryan Flaherty.

That says a whole lot more about how the "wins" are calculated than it does about Cruz's value compared to a McLouth or Flaherty.

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That says a whole lot more about how the "wins" are calculated than it does about Cruz's value compared to a McLouth or Flaherty.

No. a player that hits .260/.319/.460 while playing a corner outfield position while playing almost historically poor defense is simply not a very valuable player no matter how you calculate "wins".

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That says a whole lot more about how the "wins" are calculated than it does about Cruz's value compared to a McLouth or Flaherty.

If systematic calculation of the value of events doesn't agree with your pre-formed conclusions it couldn't be your eyeballs (from all the way across the country to Texas) that are mistaken.

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No. a player that hits .260/.319/.460 while playing a corner outfield position while playing almost historically poor defense is simply not a very valuable player no matter how you calculate "wins".

Yet he got $57 million . . . . . . . . . . . . and what are Flaherty and McClouth making? Those non baseball people in Seattle are just idiots apparently.

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