Wild Idea: Offer O'Day the QO

[Aristotelian]

Do you want the Orioles to be the kind of business that says, "Sorry about costing you 1/3rd of your earnings over the next four years, but sucks to be you. Oh, also, tell that agent of yours we're really interested in some of his other clients."

Sure, if they are not going to extend their players or sign high priced free agents, I would like them to be the kind of team to at least get draft picks back. What is the point of having a good reputation if you don't actually have a chance at signing good players?

[El Gordo]

The elephant in the room is a Gnat IMO. O'Day wants to stay in the area because his wife is a DC reporter. They may have indicated a willingness to go extra years. So DOD's agent can play the O's off the Gnats and get the best deal from one or the other. Most likely he's a Gnat next year with a 4 year deal.

[DrungoHazewood]

Sure, if they are not going to extend their players or sign high priced free agents, I would like them to be the kind of team to at least get draft picks back. What is the point of having a good reputation if you don't actually have a chance at signing good players?

I doubt that they're thinking they can be jerks and alienate a bunch of players and agents because they're unlikely to sign a lot of high-priced free agents.

[TouchemAll]

Do you want the Orioles to be the kind of business that says, "Sorry about costing you 1/3rd of your earnings over the next four years, but sucks to be you. Oh, also, tell that agent of yours we're really interested in some of his other clients."

If a legitimate attempt is made to sign him at market value and a deal can't be worked out then yea it does suck to be you good luck where ever you land and we'll get a BADLY needed pick..

If that be the case heck let's not upset anybody and never make a QO offer to another FA let's let them all walk with a hand shake a pat on the back and good luck.

[Number5]

If a legitimate attempt is made to sign him at market value and a deal can't be worked out then yea it does suck to be you good luck where ever you land and we'll get a BADLY needed pick..

If that be the case heck let's not upset anybody and never make a QO offer to another FA let's let them all walk with a hand shake a pat on the back and good luck.

Thee are black, white, and grey areas in these types of decisions. Not everything is either black or white. Davis and Chen are blatantly obvious players for a QO. Witers is a little less obvious, but it is a sensible decision to offer him one. Pearce is an obvious no=QO player. O'Day is a little less obvious, but still lies in the area where common sense would seem to say do not offer the QO. I guess you could say that Wieters lies on the dark end of the grey scale, while O'Day lies on the lighter side of grey. To lump all free agents as either black or white is, frankly, nonsensical.

[DrungoHazewood]

If a legitimate attempt is made to sign him at market value and a deal can't be worked out then yea it does suck to be you good luck where ever you land and we'll get a BADLY needed pick..

If that be the case heck let's not upset anybody and never make a QO offer to another FA let's let them all walk with a hand shake a pat on the back and good luck.

Thee are black, white, and grey areas in these types of decisions. Not everything is either black or white. Davis and Chen are blatantly obvious players for a QO. Witers is a little less obvious, but it is a sensible decision to offer him one. Pearce is an obvious no=QO player. O'Day is a little less obvious, but still lies in the area where common sense would seem to say do not offer the QO. I guess you could say that Wieters lies on the dark end of the grey scale, while O'Day lies on the lighter side of grey. To lump all free agents as either black or white is, frankly, nonsensical.

Right. The real world usually doesn't just offer two choices: totally ruthless to everyone, or roll over and do nothing. Use your brain and your ethics to make rational choices.

[TouchemAll]

Right. The real world usually doesn't just offer two choices: totally ruthless to everyone, or roll over and do nothing. Use your brain and your ethics to make rational choices.

Make a legitimate attempt to sign the guy and telling him we want you back is RUTHLESS LOL OK?

[DrungoHazewood]

Make a legitimate attempt to sign the guy and telling him we want you back is RUTHLESS LOL OK?

It may be biting off your nose to spite your face if you offer O'Day 3/21, he says he's looking for 3/30 and you respond with "take the 3/21 or we slap you with the QO that slashes your market value to something like 3/21 anyway, and probably has you sitting at home negotiating with the few teams that would give up a pick for a reliever."

[ChuckS]

It may be biting off your nose to spite your face if you offer O'Day 3/21, he says he's looking for 3/30 and you respond with "take the 3/21 or we slap you with the QO that slashes your market value to something like 3/21 anyway, and probably has you sitting at home negotiating with the few teams that would give up a pick for a reliever."

Take our 3/21 offer or we will burden you with 1/15.6? That doesn't sound like much of a threat. O'Day would jump at a QO IMO.

[TouchemAll]

It may be biting off your nose to spite your face if you offer O'Day 3/21, he says he's looking for 3/30 and you respond with "take the 3/21 or we slap you with the QO that slashes your market value to something like 3/21 anyway, and probably has you sitting at home negotiating with the few teams that would give up a pick for a reliever."

So since he's not looking at mega $$$ like Chen and Davis were supposed to take it on the chin get no pick and say we can't afford you good luck where ever you land??

OK

[DrungoHazewood]

Take our 3/21 offer or we will burden you with 1/15.6? That doesn't sound like much of a threat. O'Day would jump at a QO IMO.

I don't know. He might, but he wouldn't like it knowing that on the open market he could probably get twice that or more. And now he has to accept the risk that he has the off year nearly every reliever eventually has and next offseason he gets 1/5.

[DrungoHazewood]

So since he's not looking at mega $$$ like Chen and Davis were supposed to take it on the chin get no pick and say we can't afford you good luck where ever you land??

OK

No, you weigh the various options and the potential repercussions. Do you really want to QO O'Day and have him accept and come back at about twice the average annual value you'd like to pay him? Do you really want to burn bridges with good guys for the sake of a single compensation pick? With Chen and Davis and IMO Wieters it's a no-brainer. It doesn't significantly effect their market value and they're obviously signaling that they want to go maximize their value on the market. O'Day is someone you might actually like to bring back on good terms, and the QO very significantly changes his market value.

[TouchemAll]

JMHO The only way I don't QO O'Day is if we don't want him under any circumstances at 1/15.6

[Number5]

Take our 3/21 offer or we will burden you with 1/15.6? That doesn't sound like much of a threat. O'Day would jump at a QO IMO.

Offering O'Day would be a clear-cut lose-lose situation. O'Day is in a prime position right now to garner a nice multi-year deal thru free agency. Having the loss of a high draft pick attached to the price unquestionably damages his personal earning power. Accepting a QO works fine for him this year, but puts his future earnings at risk. You could easily end up with a disgruntled, overpaid employee. Who does that help? Additionally, overpaying a relief pitcher by so much this year hamstrings your ability to offer that money to free agents that might help in other areas. Paying so high a percentage of total salary to the bullpen, without adequately addressing the glaring weaknesses on the ball club would likely produce disastrous results on the field. O'Day would then have to enter free agency next off-season coming off a year that didn't include a whole lot of opportunities to hold and/or save leads. Lose-lose.

[Aristotelian]

Isn't the whole point of the system to encourage players to accept team friendly deals rather than go to the highest bidder? How can anyone hold it against the Orioles that they would exercise their rights under the system to get some compensation when a guy chooses to leave? Loyalty ought to work both ways.