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JJ should be first choice at SS next year. Manny at 3B

I would bring or trade for a guy who can play some third, some first and some DH. Someone along the lines of David Freese

I would utilize Manny's versatility to give JJ some extra days off or DH (assuming he hits better) and slide Manny to SS when JJ is off. Freese or whomever would play 3rd on those nights.

If we are really unlucky and JJ either regresses further or has more injury issues, you simply move Manny to SS and play Freese/FA/Trade at 3B

I am hopefully that JJ can come back and be productive. It would be smart though to have a plan in place though if does not.

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Arguable. We're going to be terrible for the remainder of JJ's contract anyways. He has no role to play in the rebuild process.

While you may be right that the Orioles are going to be terrible and should rebuild, I am not ready to assume that. I expect the O's to try to build a contender for 2016. Any team that starts with three regulars who might accumulate 15 WAR between them (Manny, Schoop and Jones) has a chance to field a solid offense and defense. If they can have better results from the starting put hers they assemble, they have a reasonable shot to contend next year IMO. If the starting pitching dies not imorove, then yes, they'll be terrible. But I don't think any rebuild starts until they give it a shot next year and fail.

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Arguable. We're going to be terrible for the remainder of JJ's contract anyways. He has no role to play in the rebuild process.

You don't know that. JJ may even contribute. And even if those things are true, it's just your guess. Not an educated one. If you are right we will applaud you for being a good and lucky guesser.

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You believe Machado is 185? In 2010, perhaps.

Hardy is listed at 200 and certainly looks like he could have 15 pounds on him. Jeter was listed at 195 and looked to have 10 pounds on him

Manny-Machado-New-York-Yankees-v-Baltimore-H54p55-D7F9l.jpg

That is Machado in 2015. Look at his core, he's a lean player. The kid is as natural as natural gets at short.

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Hardy is listed at 200 and certainly looks like he could have 15 pounds on him. Jeter was listed at 195 and looked to have 10 pounds on him

Manny-Machado-New-York-Yankees-v-Baltimore-H54p55-D7F9l.jpg

That is Machado in 2015. Look at his core, he's a lean player. The kid is as natural as natural gets at short.

I saw a picture of him in a t-shirt the other day, he's more muscular then you are giving him credit for.

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Hardy is listed at 200 and certainly looks like he could have 15 pounds on him. Jeter was listed at 195 and looked to have 10 pounds on him

Manny-Machado-New-York-Yankees-v-Baltimore-H54p55-D7F9l.jpg

That is Machado in 2015. Look at his core, he's a lean player. The kid is as natural as natural gets at short.

Manny weighed 185 in a formal weigh in his senior year in HS. You believe he hasn't grow or added weight between ages 18 and 23? Alrighty.

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So the 185 listed on Baseball Reference, is his high school weight?

Yes. That's the case for most official MLB weights on bb-ref. Check it against the official listed when the player is drafted each year. MLB doesn't require teams to weight and provide updated vitals on players, so almost no one does.

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So the 185 listed on Baseball Reference, is his high school weight?

For players from farther back in time the listed weight is actually a guess made by someone putting together the original MacMillian Baseball Encyclopedia in 1969, and often based on old photographs. For anyone prior to WWII I'd guess the average accuracy is +/- 25%, plus the uncertainty of when in the guy's career the photo was from. There are a suspicious number of players from the 1800s who, to me look about my size (say, 5'7", 150), who are listed at something like 180. The lesson is to take all official heights and weights with a few thousand grains of salt.

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