Please get Matusz off of this team!

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The keyword is overpaid. Matusz coming back next year at his projected price makes no sense. If DD wants to fill out the roster with platoon guys, LOOGY's, retreads, 5th starter types, he needs to do it on the cheap. Learn from this year. Spend money for QUALITY.

Don't be like this year and have a bunch of dead money but then at the same time crying you're crying about budget restraints. Don't tell fans that its not a viable option to give Miller what he wanted and then give us Hunter and Matusz for darn near the same price.

I have a hard time faulting how Dan chose to construct his bullpen. They are 3rd in the league in ERA, 2nd in wins, 2nd in winning percentage, 4th in save percentage. The bullpen is tops in fWAR and 4th in Win Probability Added. I've seen plenty of bad bullpens for the Orioles over the years, both due to guys who were highly paid and did not produce, and efforts to go cheap that failed. In 2006 we tried to build a bullpen on the cheap and got whacked with a 5.27 ERA and a 63% save rate. The next year we threw a bunch of money at the problem (Baez, Bradford and Walker) and things were even worse (5.75 ERA, 55% save rate). Paying $3.2 mm to a guy with a 2.87 ERA and $4.5 mm to a guy with a 3.63 ERA is hardly the biggest waste of money I've ever seen. Dan has gotten a lot of bang for his buck out of the bullpen the last four years (2nd in both fWAR and WPA in that span) and he hasn't spent a ton of money on it.

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Yeah you can I just did. Matusz(3.2) + Hunter(4.65) = 7.85 million. Andrew Miller makes 9 million. So you say that's just for 2015. You're right. But do you want to re sign O'day? If so that's going to be around what Miller got. So you could have just kept Miller and non tendered Matusz and Hunter and let O'day walk after 2015.

So you already made the "you can't compare 1 year contracts to 4 year contracts argument". Let me guess you're going to make the "are you still crying about Miller and last off season argument?". Let's face it the FO messed up. Whoever tendered those contracts really messed up.

Back to the OP. Matusz is a really good LOOGY. But he's overpaid. He won't be back here in 2016.

If you bother to go back and check you will find that I was, in fact, in favor of non-tendering Matusz. I also floated the idea on non-tendering Hunter. It wasn't just the money, I didn't like the lack of flexibility on the roster.

But that doesn't mean that spending 4/36 for a set up man is a good idea, just like resigning O'Day won't be a good idea.

If you switch Miller out for Matusz on this roster it might be enough to get this team to .500.

Maybe.

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...If you switch Miller out for Matusz on this roster it might be enough to get this team to .500.

Maybe.

Glad to see the "Maybe" at the end of this post. As low as my opinion of Mattress is, I think the assertion is a reach.

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Glad to see the "Maybe" at the end of this post. As low as my opinion of Mattress is, I think the assertion is a reach.

Only reason I said it at all is that they are only two under.

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If you bother to go back and check you will find that I was, in fact, in favor of non-tendering Matusz. I also floated the idea on non-tendering Hunter. It wasn't just the money, I didn't like the lack of flexibility on the roster.

But that doesn't mean that spending 4/36 for a set up man is a good idea, just like resigning O'Day won't be a good idea.

If you switch Miller out for Matusz on this roster it might be enough to get this team to .500.

Maybe.

I'll take your word for it. That's not a slight, just I'm not that pressed. To be fair, I really want to believe that DD didn't tender Matusz and Hunter contracts. It doesn't fit in with what he said after letting Miller go and pre Toronto fiasco. And then he signs W.Wright? Lots of ?????? DD is so good at manufacturing a bullpen and rotating fresh arms throughout the year that we really should just have Britton and a bunch of guys making the minimum next year.

Take all the savings and put it into the rotation and the everyday lineup. I trust that buck can manage a bullpen the right way and that DD will keep fresh arms in the pen. Who knows what Miller would have meant? But I know teams would have had the feeling against us like when they play KC. Who knows how much that is worth? It's just demoralizing.

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...Who knows what Miller would have meant? But I know teams would have had the feeling against us like when they play KC. Who knows how much that is worth? It's just demoralizing.

Trouble is, the scenarii when that's happened all seemed to feature a young cheap guy setting up another guy who's about to leave expensively. Think Rivera+Wetteland. I don't believe we were in a position to carry that long term with Miller and Britton.