MLBTR projecting Chris Davis at 7 yr/ with salary in the mid 20m's

[weams]

But if he gets popped again the controlling team gets salary relief.

Yes, But if they are counting on him when they are winning the division for the first time in twenty years, they would not have him. I just meant that he would not age like ARod or Ortiz or Cruz.

[weams]

For Steroids and HGH, not prohibited substances. Two different things. Go read the mlb policy.

I think I am right. I'll ask.

[BradyBunch]

I think I am right. I'll ask.

Basically as I read it is if you can get TUE for it, it the lesser of punishment. Davis would have got 50 games last year if it was for steroid use. He was only banned 25.

That fact proves me right.

[weams]

Basically as I read it is if you can get TUE for it, it the lesser of punishment. Davis would have got 50 games last year if it was for steroid use. He was only banned 25.

That fact proves me right.

I think it changed after that. I'll ask.

[DrungoHazewood]

Seven Years?

I'd think about 5/125. It might still be ludicrous in a bad way, but the O's have a ton of cash this winter. Somewhere in between 5/125 and 7/175 I think I go from "maybe this isn't so crazy" to "Dear God, this is the same guy who had a .704 OPS last year and (at 30) has two career seasons of 2 or more wins."

It's not smart to sign a guy on the presumption that he'll be worth quite a bit more in his 30s than he was in his 20s. I'd guess 80%, maybe 90%, of players go the other way.

[Jagwar]

I'd think about 5/125. It might still be ludicrous in a bad way, but the O's have a ton of cash this winter. Somewhere in between 5/125 and 7/175 I think I go from "maybe this isn't so crazy" to "Dear God, this is the same guy who had a .704 OPS last year and (at 30) has two career seasons of 2 or more wins."

It's not smart to sign a guy on the presumption that he'll be worth quite a bit more in his 30s than he was in his 20s. I'd guess 80%, maybe 90%, of players go the other way.

Yeah, that's where I am too. Would losing Davis be a real blow to the 2016 (maybe 2017-2018) Baltimore Orioles? Definitely. But might it be a horrible financial drag on the team to be paying him $20+ million for a .700 OPS in 2021-2023? Definitely.

[25 Nuggets]

Say 22m to 25m per year that would be 154m-175m. Pretty hard for a mid market team like the O's to handle.

If that is true then O's fans should think about Walker or Mancini at 1B next year.

Just saying.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/09/2016-mlb-free-agent-power-rankings-6.html

I said before that Boras will ask for Teixeira money.

Small to mid market. Just saying.

I don't think "small market" is true unless it's artificially imposed.

[waroriole]

I'd think about 5/125. It might still be ludicrous in a bad way, but the O's have a ton of cash this winter. Somewhere in between 5/125 and 7/175 I think I go from "maybe this isn't so crazy" to "Dear God, this is the same guy who had a .704 OPS last year and (at 30) has two career seasons of 2 or more wins."

It's not smart to sign a guy on the presumption that he'll be worth quite a bit more in his 30s than he was in his 20s. I'd guess 80%, maybe 90%, of players go the other way.

This is where I'm at. I'll be disappointed for about 5 minutes, then I'll move on.

[weams]

I don't think "small market" is true unless it's artificially imposed.

Small to mid. Not just small.

[Scrat1]

This is where I'm at. I'll be disappointed for about 5 minutes, then I'll move on.

Same. If we're breaking out the checkbook for anything more than 125 million, it better be for a Machado extension.

[backwardsk]

Dan had a bad season this year, no doubt. But he is really good at finding cast-offs to support a roster. Whether that's Steve Pearce, Nate McLouth, etc. We could keep the middling payroll figure, sign Davis, and find the pieces to put around him.

You could go into next season with Joseph, Clevenger, Schoop, some combination of Paredes, Lake, Walker, and Urrutia (2-3 of these), and a utility guy for a combined 3-4M. I haven't looked at the other salaries recently, but I believe Machado, Jones, and Hardy would cost around 35-36M. If Davis costs $25M, then you have 11 position players for around $65M. You'd also need to bring in a corner OFer at 8-12M (Parra, Fowler, Jackson).

It's doable with a $115-130 budget.

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[Nevermore]

So you are suggesting that Angelos operate the Orioles at a loss?

Was there some sort of huge Cruz backlash I didn't notice living down here in Florida?

There was a Cruz backlash here in Baltimore, especially what I've heard on the talk shows and at OPACY.

How many owners operate their teams at a profit? Are the O's supposed to hold their own, making more money than they spend? Or should it be Angelos who operates the Orioles, along with his legal and other enterprises? And on the whole, Angelos (unless he goes through personal bankruptcy would operate all of this enterprises (including the O's) at a profit.

[paulcoates]

If his salary is over $20MM / year, the Orioles won't come within $60 of his final contract number. Book it.

It will be Teixeira all over again. Not enough years, not enough total salary. No way. No how.

[Nevermore]

I'd like to see your copies of Angelos' financial records. Just to verify how much money he actually has.

Regardless, $140+ million is a lot for anybody. And I don't want Davis to be the O's answer to Ryan Howard.

Fix the farm system. Invest heavily in that. This FA stuff should be the provence of other teams that are either (1) much closer to contending for a title (which the O's clearly aren't even with a currently half-priced Davis), or (2) stupid (or possibly a touch of both).

You may have a point, baseball-wise. Even if Angelos is full of money, it may very well not be wise to spend that much on Davis. I notice that the Red Sox spent a load of dough on Sandoval, Porcello, and Hanley Ramirez. Look where that got them.

[weams]

How many owners operate their teams at a profit? .

All baseball teams operate at huge profits.