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weams Hangout Grand Counsel

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I think that is directed toward my response. :)

I would argue that Manny will be worth more to this team through the length of his contract than all the other moves we've made this offseason combined. I don't think it will be close.

I have no doubt you are right. On both counts. Just saying that hiring a big gun with short pockets and no team is always disaster. I can cite more examples. Not talking statistical values. Talking hardware. Manny along won't do a thing for that.

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thezeroes Major Leaguer Rising Star

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I am not sure I believe that because a group of players wins 81 games in one season that it necessarily means they are an "81 win team" the next season. The playoff roster in 2014 had an infield that did not include Chris Davis or Manny Machado but did include Kelly Johnson and Steve Pearce. That playoff roster had Nick Hundley and Caleb Joseph as catchers and this year's team has Matt Wieters and Caleb Joseph. Does it mean that Kelly Johnson, Steve Pearce, Alejandro DeAza, David Lough, Nick Hundley, Tommy Hunter, Bud Norris were 97 win team players? Should we seek to get them all back for 2016? Each season is its own entity and players progress, regress, have career years, get hurt, get replaced. As has been noted, it is likely if the pitchers pitch to their capabilities, we will do very well- in fact, we will likely win as many games as we did in 2014. If they don't, we won't.

Well said. Points.

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Standing by my belief he's getting signed long term. This looks like a placeholder.

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Arrieta filed at $13MM and the team countered at $7.5MM, setting the stage for what would have been quite a high-stakes hearing.

Instead, Arrieta will land $450K above the midpoint. As MLBTR contributor Matt Swartz has explained in detail, Arrieta’s case provided a test for assessing arbitration raises. While the MLBTR arb model projected a $10.9MM salary after Arrieta’s monster 2015 season, Swartz revised that downward to $10.4MM as a limitation on the predicted record raise for a second-year-eligible player. Obviously, Arrieta landed right between those figures.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/

That would have been quite the contest if tried.

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clapdiddy Hangout Grand Counsel

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I have no doubt you are right. On both counts. Just saying that hiring a big gun with short pockets and no team is always disaster. I can cite more examples. Not talking statistical values. Talking hardware. Manny along won't do a thing for that.

I can't disagree with what you're saying. If the O's farm system were deep and the development of players was on par with the Rays, Cards, or other proven teams, this wouldn't be such a big issue. You'd have an influx of young talent coming through the pipeline that would allow you to give Manny the big bucks.

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Then they were very wise to settle.

The pay raise Jake got after his Cy Young season in his second year of arbitration ($3.6 mm to $10.7 mm) is very close to the raise Chris Davis got after his 53 HR, 138 RBI season ($3.3 mm to $10.35 mm). Makes sense to me.

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Can_of_corn Hangout Grand Counsel

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Blue Jays Sign Josh Donaldson to Two-Year Deal, $29 Million

(By Richard Griffin)

http://www.thestar.com/sports/baseball/2016/02/08/jays-sign-josh-donaldson-to-two-year-deal.html

Makes sense. Donaldson doesn't strike me as someone that would respond well to the arbitration process.

Also smart to keep it to two years.

He broke into the majors late and this contact will cover his 30-31 seasons.

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