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If Parra was so horrible, how is it, he signed a 3 year deal for 27.5?

As others have already noted, Davies had others in front of him, and IMO, maybe not even have gotten an invite to ST.

Davies would have been put on the 40-man roster this offseason and would have gotten an automatic spring training invite. People need to realize that just because Wright and Wilson got calls before Davies it had nothing to do whether the team viewed them as better alternatives for the long haul. Both Wright and Wilson were pitching well and had been at Norfolk longer. Baseball is big on people earning their chances and both Wright and Wilson earned their shots before Davies. There are few scouts that I've talked to that would rate Wright/Wilson as better overall prospects than Davies.

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Davies would have been put on the 40-man roster this offseason and would have gotten an automatic spring training invite. People need to realize that just because Wright and Wilson got calls before Davies it had nothing to do whether the team viewed them as better alternatives for the long haul. Both Wright and Wilson were pitching well and had been at Norfolk longer. Baseball is big on people earning their chances and both Wright and Wilson earned their shots before Davies. There are few scouts that I've talked to that would rate Wright/Wilson as better overall prospects than Davies.

Sure. But they not only called up Wright and Wilson first, they traded Davies for Parra. That tells you what they thought of Davies and the chances that they would put Davies in the rotation this year had they not made the trade.

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This is a true statement. I've said all along I'm much more bullish on Davies than most. Time will tell whether I am right or not. Personally, I'd be happy with Davies as the 5th starter, and keeping the 14th overall pick while saving some money. I can understand if others would have a different opinion though.

(Davies + $many millions) >>>>> (Gallardo - #14). Unfortunately that's not an option.

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Sure. But they not only called up Wright and Wilson first, they traded Davies for Parra. That tells you what they thought of Davies and the chances that they would put Davies in the rotation this year had they not made the trade.

Again, I've explained why Wright and Wilson got chances first, and the fact that Davies was sent to Milwaukee for a major league outfielder was because the Brewers wouldn't take the other two. Trust me, I know that the Oriole would have preferred to have given up Wright or Wilson vs Davies. There are people in the organization who believed in Zach Davies as a major league starter. Although I'm more bullish on his major league future then some scouts I've talked to, that doesn't mean they didn't like him. In fact, he had begun to change a lot of minds and was why Milwaukee targeted him once they were told Harvey and Bundy were not available for Parra.

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I thought sending Chen to Frederick for one game is the reason we might lose the #14 pick?

I'm only half kidding. I still can't believe how ticked Chen got over this that he wouldn't even give the Orioles a chance to negotiate this Winter.

I thought that originally Chen was ticked, but cooled down and had a heart to heart with Buck and that all was good.

I think Boras went for the high bidder, in this case, the Marlins went over and above what the Orioles were prepared to spend.

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Davies would have been put on the 40-man roster this offseason and would have gotten an automatic spring training invite. People need to realize that just because Wright and Wilson got calls before Davies it had nothing to do whether the team viewed them as better alternatives for the long haul. Both Wright and Wilson were pitching well and had been at Norfolk longer. Baseball is big on people earning their chances and both Wright and Wilson earned their shots before Davies. There are few scouts that I've talked to that would rate Wright/Wilson as better overall prospects than Davies.

Do you think DD knew last year that going into this season, Boras was going to want too much money and that he was going to have a spot to fill?

If he honesty thought Davies had a chance to complete for that, he might not have traded him?

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Do you think DD knew last year that going into this season, Boras was going to want too much money and that he was going to have a spot to fill?

If he honesty thought Davies had a chance to complete for that, he might not have traded him?

DD had to have known that Chen was gone. I loved the Parra trade at the time. I was practically is PR guy here on the OH around the deadline. It's just funny that the O's had De Aza and Parra last year and both of them had terrible times with the O's and really good times last year with their other teams. We were just snake bitten with COF's last year. That's why the idea of signing Fowler is such a positive. We don't have to potentially go through a revolving door in RF and our biggest worry in the lineup will be the LF platoon and if Hardy can bounce back.

As far as Davies goes he was my favorite player to follow in the milb. A guy that has a scouting report of back of rotation arm/swingman profiles a lot better in the NL central than he would in the AL East. That would be my reasoning for why the O's traded him, other than the Brewers not wanting Wilson and Wright. So that should let you know that another team thought more of Davies as a prospect than guys like Wilson and Wright. So maybe we should not expect Wilson and Wright to be more than swingman or relievers. Plus DD is great at finding depth and relievers. We have a stacked bullpen with a lot of SP prospects that will probably end up in the pen.

I'm not going to justify every pitcher DD has traded over the last few seasons. But we've had an awesome pen since he took over. He can find relievers. So if he traded guys that were looking like they were going to end up in the pen for pieces at the mlb level you cant argue with that thinking, for the most part. Time will tell. Even Ed Rod struggled the year we traded him and there was talk he might just be a bullpen guy.

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Do you think DD knew last year that going into this season, Boras was going to want too much money and that he was going to have a spot to fill?

If he honesty thought Davies had a chance to complete for that, he might not have traded him?

I think perspective is important. I like Tony, am also a little bullish on Davies. That said, DD has pulled better pitchers out of his magic hat in the past (Gonzo, Chen).

Parra was like a lottery ticket. It did not work out but at the end of the day, as a GM, I would imagine if a guy offers you a chance, even if it is more in your head than reality, its hard to walk away if the cost of that guy is a player that is not on your top tier of prospects. We can argue if he should not have pulled the trigger, but I can understand why he would. Given the fact he has pulled starters out of seemingly thin air, I can get why DD would perhaps feel that losing Davies was an acceptable risk and one he could potentially cover even if it did not work out well.

The real problem is that when you take a figure it out later approach, sometimes the more you do that, the more you paint yourself into options that are increasingly less desirable. That is the case here IMO. Now they are faced with the opportunity cost of the totality of their past moves/trades. Time will tell how it all plays out

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Again, I've explained why Wright and Wilson got chances first, and the fact that Davies was sent to Milwaukee for a major league outfielder was because the Brewers wouldn't take the other two. Trust me, I know that the Oriole would have preferred to have given up Wright or Wilson vs Davies. There are people in the organization who believed in Zach Davies as a major league starter. Although I'm more bullish on his major league future then some scouts I've talked to, that doesn't mean they didn't like him. In fact, he had begun to change a lot of minds and was why Milwaukee targeted him once they were told Harvey and Bundy were not available for Parra.

On the outside, it looks like they did not see Davies as a MLB pitcher. However, I believe you. Which makes the Davies trade all the more horrendous. They must have thought Parra was going to be Ted Williams.

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If the Orioles had signed Markakis last year we would still have Stephen Tarpley, Steven Brault, and Zach Davies and would not be signing Fowler and have an additional First Round Pick. Seems like not signing Markakis was one of the biggest mistake the club has made.

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