PED Suspensions Coming

[Il BuonO]

In all fairness, Roy said he was also concerned about Manny hanging with Aroid. Which concerns me too....

But let's be honest. To play 162 games takes a toll on one's body.

Yes, but are you worried?

[Tryptamine]

Ortiz is on pace for his highest OPS season at age 40, that is reason enough for suspicion.

His .343babip is going to regress a bit, but he's also making the highest percentage of hard contact in his career 47.7%. Remember, we're still only a 1/3 of the way into the season. The players are still relatively fresh and older guys like Ortiz are likely to tail off as the season lingers on.

[25 Nuggets]

His .343babip is going to regress a bit, but he's also making the highest percentage of hard contact in his career 47.7%. Remember, we're still only a 1/3 of the way into the season. The players are still relatively fresh and older guys like Ortiz are likely to tail off as the season lingers on.

You'd think that, but Ortiz continues to defy age expectations.

[Mendoza Line]

Betts is 24 years old, he isn't even in his prime yet. He's doing something Machado did just a few years back. As far as having your doubts, do you have those same doubts about those players of the 50s,60s,70s etc when they were on everything from cocaine,amphetamines,lsd and what not to greenies? Baseball fandom hates Barry Bonds for cheating but adores Hank Aaron who admitted to having used greenies. For whatever reason steroids has this stigma that they take a scrub and make him an allstar while greenies were nothing.

I'm of the opinion that not all PEDs are created equal. I don't think it is a coincidence that during the height of the steroid era we saw some of the most prolific offenses in MLB history, followed by a rapid decline when more testing started in 2005.

[atomic]

You'd think that, but Ortiz continues to defy age expectations.

Hank Aaron put up a heck of a season at 39. Ortiz was a late bloomer and save wear on his body by very rarely playing in the field. I am not saying he isn't on steroids but hitting can be contagious. Plus having the best season of your career when it is only begining of June is pretty meaningless. Best season of your career can quickly turn into the worst.

Seems strange he would start using steroids his last season.

[Mendoza Line]

Hank Aaron put up a heck of a season at 39. Ortiz was a late bloomer and save wear on his body by very rarely playing in the field. I am not saying he isn't on steroids but hitting can be contagious. Plus having the best season of your career when it is only begining of June is pretty meaningless. Best season of your career can quickly turn into the worst.

Seems strange he would start using steroids his last season.

Just started? I needed a good laugh before bed.

[weams]

Just started? I needed a good laugh before bed.

He was caught by test in 2003 and at least one time since then according to his own admissions. None of the Biogenesis players or even A-Rod were ever suspended because of testing.

[allquixotic]

As another poster mentioned earlier, I agree that there's just too much money in baseball. It provides too great an incentive to cheat, because the "best" (most successful, not necessarily most talented) players can get payouts that land them in the top 0.001% or so. Even an average ML player will never have to go hungry again and can always afford to have the latest creature comforts and new cars every year for the rest of their life.

If you were on the precipice of reaching that, but had a real risk of not keeping up with everyone else (a significant portion of whom are cheating to give themselves an edge), what would you do? Would you be honest and hope that you train and prepare well enough to do it legitimately? Or would you give in and take the "safer" road to success, women and shiny cars?

I think a lot of people would be amoral for money if they had the opportunity sitting right in front of them. It's human nature. It's why, if you accidentally leave a wallet full of money in the bathroom somewhere and the person who finds it is really confident they can get away with it, they'll steal your money. You might get your wallet back but "someone else took the money before they found it", or you might never see it again.

People will do anything for money. Anything.

Doesn't make it right, doesn't excuse it, but I don't think it's surprising or unexpected, either. It's the opposite of that. If we want to actually make these players live up to the morals they and their organizations espouse, we'd have to actually police them so aggressively that even a 2-hour disappearing PED could still be detected a day or two after ingestion. But then you're looking at a bioscience problem that hasn't yet been solved, and once it IS solved, the crooks will already be looking for ways around it.

It's cat and mouse, and the mouse is always a step ahead. If you don't like it, you don't have to put your money into the system; it's your choice whether to do so or not. I've been tempted on multiple occasions to stop putting my own money into it because of exactly this crap. Why should I pay a bunch of players who will lie to the public, their organization and their peers, just for the chance that they might be a little bit better and be able to afford another house or another expensive yacht or something?

I've earned every penny I've ever made, and I've never cheated anyone out of anything. It sucks not to have nice things, but it's the moral high ground. Now, don't get me wrong; if I knew of a way to get out of the middle class without being a total scumbag, I'd do it. But I don't think there's an obvious way for someone with my talents (computer science and IT). I guess I should have picked a more "lucrative" field, like baseball, where doing your job one out of three times is considered good. If I did my job correctly one out of three times, I'd be out of work.

[JayThomas]

Always find it funny the same people who were going Cruz at the stadium and cheering him on and loved him. AROD would come up and the fans would go get out of baseball you evil steroid user.

Well, cause, uh, ARoid sucks, duh.

[JayThomas]

Seems like with most fans that if your player gets caught he made a mistake and is a wonderful guy. Another teams player gets caught and he is evil.

And don't forget, all Yankmees are evil.

[jabba72]

Some of Trumbo's HR's do make me wonder. He hits some absolute missiles. The Red Sox are definitely up to something though. And Tampa's got some serious power this year too. I dont think its just Boston.

[BradyBunch]

Some of Trumbo's HR's do make me wonder. He hits some absolute missiles. The Red Sox are definitely up to something though. And Tampa's got some serious power this year too. I dont think its just Boston.

I've accused Boston in the game area. Tampa is striking out alot so it's not surprising there. Trumbo's HRs are missiles because they are mistakes and he's always killed mistakes. Trumbo won't hit 45 plus HRs this year. His rookie year he hit 29 and finished 2nd to Jeremy Hellickson and if I was the Orioles FO I'd look to getting Hellickson from the Phillies.

[Malike]

I've accused Boston in the game area. Tampa is striking out alot so it's not surprising there. Trumbo's HRs are missiles because they are mistakes and he's always killed mistakes. Trumbo won't hit 45 plus HRs this year. His rookie year he hit 29 and finished 2nd to Jeremy Hellickson and if I was the Orioles FO I'd look to getting Hellickson from the Phillies.

Bad things happen when you trade with Andy MacPhail. I hope they don't call Philly about anything.

[flaoriolesfan]

I have been wondering about this for a couple of years but I really am surprised at the numbers Ortiz is putting up so far this year. I watch a lot of AL East games(a lot)

of course hoping everyone but the Orioles lose and it just seems like his bat speed has improved a bit too much for a 40 year old. I really thought that Ortiz was done

about 7-8 years ago and now he seems like he has turned back time in some way. He also does not look like a workout freak like Davis so I just wonder where this is

all coming from and can I get some. Just like Roy I am not accusing just wondering.

[weams]

I have been wondering about this for a couple of years but I really am surprised at the numbers Ortiz is putting up so far this year. I watch a lot of AL East games(a lot)

of course hoping everyone but the Orioles lose and it just seems like his bat speed has improved a bit too much for a 40 year old. I really thought that Ortiz was done

about 7-8 years ago and now he seems like he has turned back time in some way. He also does not look like a workout freak like Davis so I just wonder where this is

all coming from and can I get some. Just like Roy I am not accusing just wondering.

I know some object, but with Ortiz it is not unfounded suspicion of what he has done. Just if he is still doing it.