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If the O's need to add a starter at any  point I would go with who is pitching the best from the minors.  Right now I think Aquino and Lee are out pitching Wilson and Wright.  They all have options so they are interchangeable. 

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8 hours ago, DirtyBird said:

Where have Wright and Wilson proven they can get guys out?

Snappy answer, but Wright has had a 2.22 and 3.07 ERA in AAA the last two years, while Wilson has a 3.54 ERA in AAA.    Meanwhile, Chris Lee has 51 innings of AA under his belt, and Aquino has 13 innings in AAA.    They may well pass Wright and Wilson, but a few innings in early spring training doesn't do it.     

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I think Wilson, Wright and Verrett have to do better than they are doing to hold their position as next in line as a major league starter.    They are not pitching well enough in ST so far to hold that position.  They can't even get out minor leaguers at a acceptable rate. 

So far Lee and Aquino are pitching well.

Its nice to say the guys with the most experience should get the next promotion.  But they have to pitch well enough to be successful with that promotion.  I am not seeing that so far this spring.

 

 

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"Before the game, Showalter said he envisions Wright as a starter. If the 27-year-old doesn't make Baltimore's rotation out of camp, he won't be put in the bullpen. Wright would be sent to Triple-A Norfolk to be stretched out as a starter."

 

"The key for Wright is retiring left-handers. In his career, right-handers have hit just .245. But lefties are at .335.

"Just trying to stay consistent in what he's gotta be," Showalter said. "It's something (pitching coach) Roger (McDowell) has been talking to him about. Who you are and how can you do this best?

"I'm hoping he continues to throw that hard sinker on the outer half and gets a lot of ground balls. It's what keeps starters from being starters and it makes them go to the bullpen. That's the real separator for left-handed starters and right-handed starters. If they can get those people out on the other side of the box."

 

For Wright, that just doesn't mean pitching left-handers on the outside corner.

"If you work one side of the plate consistently, they're going to adjust to it," he said, "so it's got to be a mix of both. I started off the game with two lefty outs. Just trying to execute those pitches down, regardless of in or out."

 

http://www.heraldtribune.com/sports/20170311/spring-training-wright-approach

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1 hour ago, Frobby said:

Snappy answer, but Wright has had a 2.22 and 3.07 ERA in AAA the last two years, while Wilson has a 3.54 ERA in AAA.    Meanwhile, Chris Lee has 51 innings of AA under his belt, and Aquino has 13 innings in AAA.    They may well pass Wright and Wilson, but a few innings in early spring training doesn't do it.     

Not really something to hang his hat on, especially in a pitcher's park.

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7 minutes ago, RZNJ said:

How many ST stories of the past must be brought up to show you that you are over emphasizing results based on 6-9 innings pitched in the spring?   

Buck and most others simply do not make decisions the same way you build your opinion.

Aquino didn't even have a good year starting in AA but you have him leapfrogging 4 solid AAAA pitchers based on a few spring innings.

Lee is a little different and I think, because his talent level is considered higher could make that leap.

I feel the same way about Liranzo in the bullpen.  It wouldn't shock me if he went north.  His talent level exceeds Drake, Stewart, Bleier, etc.

Results matter.  SSS results shouldn't carry more weight than the previous year(s) of results.

Exactly.    By the third week of April, most of these guys will have pitched more MiL innings this year than they pitched during all of spring training.     

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9 minutes ago, RZNJ said:

How many ST stories of the past must be brought up to show you that you are over emphasizing results based on 6-9 innings pitched in the spring?   

Buck and most others simply do not make decisions the same way you build your opinion.

Aquino didn't even have a good year starting in AA but you have him leapfrogging 4 solid AAAA pitchers based on a few spring innings.

Lee is a little different and I think, because his talent level is considered higher could make that leap.

I feel the same way about Liranzo in the bullpen.  It wouldn't shock me if he went north.  His talent level exceeds Drake, Stewart, Bleier, etc.

Results matter.  SSS results shouldn't carry more weight than the previous year(s) of results.

I agree. 

Spring training means so little in the scheme of things. Other than health. And things that are seen that stick for future reference. Things we have no idea of.  It is not a competition with a defined finish line. 

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49 minutes ago, RZNJ said:

How many ST stories of the past must be brought up to show you that you are over emphasizing results based on 6-9 innings pitched in the spring?   

Buck and most others simply do not make decisions the same way you build your opinion.

Aquino didn't even have a good year starting in AA but you have him leapfrogging 4 solid AAAA pitchers based on a few spring innings.

Lee is a little different and I think, because his talent level is considered higher could make that leap.

I feel the same way about Liranzo in the bullpen.  It wouldn't shock me if he went north.  His talent level exceeds Drake, Stewart, Bleier, etc.

Results matter.  SSS results shouldn't carry more weight than the previous year(s) of results.

I couldn't disagree more.  Pitching well the year before gets you considered for call up  but how you are pitching at the time of the call up gets you to a majors.   

Last year Hart was called up from AA because he was pitching well.  He never pitched a AAA at all.

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55 minutes ago, RZNJ said:

We agree that how a pitcher is pitching in the minors can effect who gets called up.   We disagree that Jayson Aquino may get the call before Wilson, Verret, or Ynoa just because he might be having a better spring.

The spring is not over.  Let's see how this turns out.

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